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i love it there's that little

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that little intro but we think we're

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gonna hear a song and then we're just on

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welcome

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a little acoustic guitar just to get us

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warmed up a little bit yeah grab the hot

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cocoa or whatever you know i i feel like

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i'm in north georgia sitting around the

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campfire with nathan uh he's got his

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little guitar going uh and then pluto

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from uh from

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animal house comes over i'm just kidding

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anyway uh welcome back to calling all

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beings i'm your host dj uh it's great to

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be back here uh because uh this is a

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gentleman we've been chasing for months

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so uh uh my co-host right here uh

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co-creator co-conspirator of the joint

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money nathan is here and the hair has

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obviously been combed

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yeah i need a haircut i'm getting one

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tomorrow but uh good to be here tonight

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very excited to speak with dan

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uh it's been a long time coming huge fan

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of this guy i mean who isn't a fan of

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dan

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and everything that he's doing uh just

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looking for a great conversation i know

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we're gonna have one

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very excited to see folks in the

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audience you know if you have questions

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put them in all caps we can see those

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uh and we will uh get this started

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shortly but we want to talk with uh deb

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too and catch up with her deb how are

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you doing i'm doing great i actually

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feel the heat from that fire right now

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cozy right deb take the scarf off you're

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not gonna need it indoors but guess what

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man guess what who's in the chat party

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people put your hands together for

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justin owings

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look at that yeah how about that there

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he is yes

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also uh and scott gieron the para rescue

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legend is in the building but we got to

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introduce our new the new chat moderator

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of calling all beans nathan talk to me

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baby yes julie miss julie farrell

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been around she's an original gangster

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people so step back

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stay away from her car

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make sure you got a chamois if you're

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gonna get close to it

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uh but anyway let's bring in our next

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guest who does know something about uh

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does know something about cars and when

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he is ahead on the scoreboard you can

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certainly count on uh him to go to the

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all corners defense he is an engineer uh

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at a university he is a tennessean um

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i'm hoping that he's seen soft squash

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but i'm not 100 sure parted people put

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those hands together from my man

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what's up guys happy to be here tonight

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we've been waiting for you dan

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hey i want to give a quick shout out to

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jewels of the woods she is one of the

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first people on twitter that was nice to

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me so i'll never i'll never forget her

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because of that she is a positive source

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of feedback for everybody she is very a

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very pleasant person to be in the

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presence of she's amazing she is i get

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to meet her at the floor bama uh meetup

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and she is just an absolute delight uh

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to be with hang out with her uh

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narratives and also she's you know

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she's a remote viewer she's an

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experiencer and someone who's been doing

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this a long time and is not just

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dropping in the joint but she knows

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what's going down uh also if you if any

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of you out there are into all natural

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shoes uh please check out

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birthdayshoes.com

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uh justin owings uh who is in the chat

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i've been reading his blog since 2009 or

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so and have bought several pairs of

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shoes like probably 10

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based on his recommendations of

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different types uh anyway welcome man

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it's dan warren and let me pass the

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microphone over let me pass it over to

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money nathan

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ah man dan all right so let's just get

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right into it uh what's going on what

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you doing i know the tick tocks are

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flying i don't miss those i love them so

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much but i mean what's happening in your

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world right now what are you focused on

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uh what do you see trending you know

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what are you getting big response to

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when you're when you're out there in the

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tick tick tock world

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so stupid videos are what get the best

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response on tick tock of course anything

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me throwing an extension cord because i

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can wrap it up like a microphone and

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toss it a hundred feet and it'll unravel

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and that one gotta that got rave reviews

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twitter but they're not the ones that do

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kirsten gillibrand comments that she had

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after her town hall town hall meeting in

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manhattan i felt like that was a pretty

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um pretty big moment in ufology where a

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sitting senator made the types of

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statements that she made

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and she's got her finger on it she is

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not letting it go

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she's going to be a pit bull and you saw

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how she responded to the gentleman that

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and he said he didn't really know a lot

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about us uap so she was like

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you're about to and you're not gonna get

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this unless you give me a report on it

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so i think that's one of the biggest

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things that's happened in in the last

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let's be honest it feels at this point

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in ufology like we're drinking from a

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fire hose as far as news and updates and

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compared to just two years ago when it

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was one a month two a month uh and it's

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ramped up exponentially in the in the

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yeah i think that's hard for folks to uh

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i mean we're kind of in it day in and

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particular what struck me was just there

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was no uh pushback there was no

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uh this is not something i can talk to

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you about right now

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it was

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total kind of i'm into this let's have

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this conversation this is an okay thing

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to discuss i mean imagine a senator

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just kind of move along and i'm going to

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um one thing that i am always on the

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lookout for is patterns and something

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that i noticed because i can't remember

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who posted it as a

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was that mike gallagher representative

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mike gallagher said i'm not gonna let it

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he also said it so to me i'm waiting for

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that third person which i mean i haven't

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the comments that the congressmen and

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of huddled together in the background

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and said we're not gonna let it go if

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so they're starting to use similar

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vocabulary it could just be a

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coincidence i'm not gonna say that i

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believe it's a coordinated effort behind

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they're going to move forward with this

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whatever this is right and not let go

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and keep pushing and pushing and pushing

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and it's just an exciting time

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to be in a subject like this because of

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that it's unprecedented in my opinion

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each other on it so they could easily

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use that as a political you know jab oh

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uh rival across the aisle they're into

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ufos you'd never hear that from any of

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hear is that i'm worried we're spending

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money and our attention in the wrong

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place but no one is is really saying

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that this isn't something we should care

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about or we should give any of our our

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attention to so yeah it's very exciting

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and we had you know jim semivan on

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some guy he may have heard of

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some sort of officer retired officer

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that they've seen a lot of the

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classified material and that they're

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really mad about it you know oh yeah

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they're mad that they've been basically

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lied to and that's certainly what i've

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been hearing from from folks that i talk

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with behind the scenes and you know i

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think you're right dan they they are

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laser focused on this they want some

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answers obviously we have a lot of

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things going on

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in the world and in politics generally

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right now so there's a lot of different

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topics that are vying for attention but

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this doesn't seem to be fading away

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going into the background

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exactly and i think we're also at the

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point where we can stop saying that the

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ufo topic is a distraction i feel like

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it is a legitimate issue

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it's a national security issue it is a

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facilities issue it is a

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a safe what are what are yeah yeah yeah

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without saying it let's say

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so it is a concern and it is a legit

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concern so people are start congressmen

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and women are starting to recognize that

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and they're realizing that we might be

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the wool pulled over their eyes that's

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comments is when he talks about the

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being asleep at the will having the wool

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pulled over their eyes congress is the

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same way they're just as guilty they

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like um

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dennis kustinich who lost his or his

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presidential run ended because he saw a

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ufo

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what a different world we live in now

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yeah from ohio he was in a debate and

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they said hey it was stated in a book

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and i can't remember the name of the

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book or the author at the moment um that

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you saw ufo and he said yeah i did and i

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couldn't explain it just that the other

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and that pretty much tanked his election

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campaign and now we have people that are

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just recently 20 2020

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kirsten gillibrand ran for president i

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think marco rubio did too if i'm not

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mistaken that's correct and yes and they

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uh wait he couldn't have because trump

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was uh still in so i think it would have

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been 2016 when marco rubio

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he did he did

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16. yeah yeah okay so so those are

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current people that have their eyes on

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the prize and they're

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they're openly talking about this

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subject across the aisle nothing else is

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like that at this moment everything else

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is bickering this is one of the only

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things that they come together on and

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agree that needs to be something it's

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something that needs to be addressed

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it's amazing it's the only thing

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um for those of you out there who are

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wondering if my head is this fat in

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person nathan and dan could both confirm

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that it is but that's you know why we

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bring hey what's up so uh dave smithers

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is in the chat i want to say hello to

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dave smithers from england you should be

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in bed sir and uh tupacabra our former

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guest is here uh as well laura sosa so

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man we've got a lot of cool people not

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to mention justin owings birthday shoes

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man what's up um but but uh we did bring

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on somebody that that that doesn't have

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a fat head and that's deb

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so uh go go right ahead but before we

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get to deb i gotta say something to

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tupac tupa i'm gonna call him top pock

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is rolling with the homies of reference

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to clueless because i watched that with

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my kid just two three weeks ago

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and man that's that's been going around

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our house like on repeat recently i love

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actually i had a related question about

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um

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i know that you deep dive on what's

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going on with the politicians current

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events and i was struck by the

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implication that legacy programs are

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still being hidden away

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and i feel like you would know about at

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least six of them right

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so i feel like

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yeah at least right so i i'm like

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can are you honing in on that are you

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going to kind of jump on that point when

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you make this video because that's that

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really struck me i was like shocked and

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i noticed of course that now they are

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going back to 1947

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that that's one of the things they're

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trying to do and

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okay so so what are you going to do with

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that information

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so my answer to that is i'm kind of

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doing that um there's two different

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videos i'm doing a deep dive on one in

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particular but the the other one that i

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feel like i'm going to

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try to compile some information about is

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the calvin photo and the significance of

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it if you guys haven't listened to the

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uap society podcast with vinnie chris

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lato and i'm sorry i can't remember i

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think it's a carl crusher and i've

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forgotten the fourth fourth person but

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ross coldheart was on there and he was

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talking to vinnie about the significance

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of that photo

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and that he has been led to believe that

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that is

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a reverse engineered craft that was

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being

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flown out of raf

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and so

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that

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happened right after

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um

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the the bob i'm i i hate even bringing

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up bob lazar but right after bob lazar

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happened

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they got a lot of attention at s4

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all of a sudden we get a picture of the

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calvin ufo flying out of raf which is

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coming to be thought of as a reverse

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engineer amer reverse engineered

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american uh ufo uav

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it's

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i'm trying to connect dots all the time

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so those are some dots that i'm seeing

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that i want to investigate a little bit

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further so that's that's been something

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to me that has kind of stood out i

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highly recommend that uh

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podcast that interview is great

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what's up vinny man we got to talk man

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disclosure team all day man

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uh vinnie is is uh definitely a member

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of cab fam

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and uh he has a great show in fact uh he

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had dr diana sulk on as well and i

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haven't heard that episode yet i just

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messaged him that a while ago but yeah i

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will listen to that um i've had some

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conversations with uh

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frank milburn

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um i've had conversation with richard

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butt on this one a lot of people know is

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right into a lot of things and kind of

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ransom and also um condor man

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uh condorman did show a patent for a

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diamond shaped dirigible technology as

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i've mentioned to you guys before i

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think there are a lot of technologies

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that they will apply for a patent on

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that aren't actualized but they're

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they're thrown out there as chaff for

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intelligence services and so on like the

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anti-gravity stuff um

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you know obviously we're not seeing uh

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we're not flying around in in our own

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anti-gravity craft but

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um but it would it would behoove me to

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put that out there so that the other

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services have to wonder oh there's a

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navy patent on do they have something

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probably not but they need to look into

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it so with regard to that i've been to

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raf macrahinish we actually had our

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ri there in 2007

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when i was stationed in england so we

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rented the base from the raf for that

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it's not a secure base

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and i cannot imagine why

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if i did if i was flight testing a

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secret technology why i would fly it

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from somewhere like nevada

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to scotland and then fly it in day vmc

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which would be day

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uh visual meteorological conditions

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which means everybody can see it

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um

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so i can't figure out why you would do

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that i also would wonder uh with a craft

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that's that big

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um you know if it doesn't have

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if it's not dirigible in nature and it

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doesn't have some omnidirectional

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propulsion up down left right

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then how do i make a landing in this

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craft how do i steer this craft i'm

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going to need ailerons i'm going to need

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wings that are proportional to the size

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of the craft and then horizontal and

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vertical stabilizers

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etc unless it's dirigible if it's

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dirigible that

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now i can shrink all the control

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surfaces because it's already aloft

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but um

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so i'll challenge you to tell me what

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makes sense in the ufo

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community like nothing makes sense

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there's so many things that are just

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contradicting each other it's so

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confusing well to me you have to show me

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how it flies if somebody can tell me how

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it flies then i can go so when i see

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something like for example i saw the uh

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that photo where it's the uss something

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and there's something that has four

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lights on it and it looks like a drone

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and to me there's nothing that i see

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there that i could say that's not a

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that's not a drone but you also can't

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tell how it's propelled like it's just

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not enough information that's that's a

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lot of what we got that we have to work

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with is insufficient data well yeah

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there are ifs that are involved when the

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witnesses say okay it hovered silently

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for 10 minutes and then shot straight up

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in the air silently now i'm saying it's

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not it's not man-made technology

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um because we can't do that now

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uh so i don't think you could do it then

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and if you could do it now we'd be

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flying that now

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um

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and instead i know the planes that we're

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buying and they're just not in the realm

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of of something in fact i got to show

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you guys one of the newest aircraft

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we're buying when you see it just know

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that it's called the air tractor and

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that should tell you something

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specifically you dan anyway

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let me go with my question that i had

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for you dan because it's from

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christopher sharp one of your fans oh

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awesome yeah i'm a big fan of chris too

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yeah he called me today to get this

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question in for you um as i was leaving

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work uh and just i'm flattered i'm i'm

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so flattered by that that's cool yeah he

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yeah he loves you dad we all love you um

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he says uh he wants to know about how

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you uh were able to

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craft this relationship with tim

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burchette who uh he sees as is certainly

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an advocate for some for us and somebody

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that we're really lucky to have and and

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and and also and why you you do what's a

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two-part question first about tim and

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then second half it'd be about how you

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came up with this idea for tick tock

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because he loves it

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so the way that i got a hold of tim is

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and by the way i think his name is

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pronounced birchit because i have a guy

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that i work with named whose last name

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is birchette so i'm going with birchette

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burchette sounds too french

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to european i don't think he would say

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it that way whenever i get a hold of him

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i'm asking for clarification that's the

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one that's the first question i'm asking

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is how do you pronounce your last name

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um but the way that i ended up getting a

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hold of him is because he actually had

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two interviews where he openly spoke

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about the ufo topic and i made two tick

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tocks about it basically saying like he

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is saying exactly what we're saying like

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this is the frustration that we as a

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community have

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and we have a congressman that is saying

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exactly what we think so it was it was

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great to hear it and i ended up taking

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screenshots of those two videos printing

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them out on a piece of paper and then

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writing

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dear representative burchett i am going

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uh i i appreciate you making these

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statements that you have i am

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i've made these videos if you want to

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check them out go check check them out

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here on tik tok or i've got them on

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youtube now and i would like to talk to

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you about this more at some point and

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just see what your thoughts are so at

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that point i didn't expect anything to

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happen i sent it in i sent it to the

547
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washington the knoxville

548
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,320
and the other there were three offices

549
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,320
office addresses that he had posted i

550
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:01,120
just printed them out hand wrote them

551
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:01,840
uh

552
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:04,559
sent them pictures of me in front of my

553
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:07,840
restored bronco with my kids and my wife

554
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,559
um posing for father's day and like i'm

555
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:12,400
just a normal guy just interested in

556
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,520
this topic

557
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,200
i just wanted to talk to you about it so

558
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:17,520
he ended up actually calling me on like

559
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,480
a friday night as i was grilling some

560
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:22,320
food for dinner and we had our first

561
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,880
conversation over the phone and the same

562
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:26,880
thing that he said to me in that phone

563
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:28,480
call is the same thing he has been

564
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,600
repeating ad nauseam on these interviews

565
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,360
and on these um

566
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:35,760
news segments so he has been consistent

567
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:38,480
with his stance that we have been lied

568
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,600
to so it's it's refreshing to see

569
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,240
i feel like i got an insight into his

570
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:46,720
mentality into his thought process

571
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,320
pretty much before the rest of the ufo

572
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,240
community and it's nice to see that it

573
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,559
has been consistent i don't always agree

574
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,240
with him on politics i'll throw that out

575
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,080
there right now

576
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:58,960
but i am grateful to have him as an

577
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:01,919
advocate for uap disclosure because he

578
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,320
has been consistent and i i do feel like

579
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,320
he is going to continue to push

580
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,640
and i feel like in any day now he's

581
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,400
going to say i'm not going to let it go

582
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,240
so i'm hoping that'll end up coming out

583
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,760
of his mouth soon

584
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,159
and and so dan you know graeme rendall

585
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,880
posted his letter to his mp the other

586
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,880
day i'm trying to remember someone else

587
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:23,200
that said that they wrote to their mp

588
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,799
recently and we're talking about uh

589
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:27,120
british uh our british brothers and

590
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,400
sisters writing to their members of

591
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,080
parliament

592
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,799
that are i guess house of commons types

593
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,600
um

594
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,480
and uh so you're inspiring people by by

595
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:38,400
doing stuff like that and obviously

596
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,200
christopher was as well so thank you not

597
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,960
what you're doing is not just localized

598
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,280
but other people are like okay i need to

599
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,520
engage with with my politician on this

600
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,840
topic even though in their case they

601
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,360
know that right now the answer they're

602
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,120
going to get is going to be a sort of a

603
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,200
pat canned answer which graham spoke

604
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,600
about uh and let me pass over to the

605
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:59,440
moment but i would recommend that you

606
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,320
put

607
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,080
your personal self

608
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,080
in the letter don't just

609
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,000
write something out if you could if

610
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,919
you're con if you feel comfortable

611
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,520
putting a picture of yourself or your

612
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,039
family in there

613
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,600
someone's gonna open a thousand letters

614
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,799
that day

615
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,159
they're gonna look at that one with the

616
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,760
picture longer than they're gonna look

617
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,159
at any other one so if i mean i hate to

618
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,559
say use your family as leverage it's not

619
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:25,520
what i'm saying but please

620
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,870
you're a human you're a regular person

621
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,559
you have

622
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,400
you're you're just a regular dude let

623
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,919
them know that it just i feel like

624
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,000
that's something that

625
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,559
that could be beneficial to contacting

626
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,799
our representatives is we're not just a

627
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,280
bunch of words and angry letters i'm

628
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,440
sure they get tons of those yeah we're a

629
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,360
community we're people we're just like

630
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,799
them

631
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,640
yeah yeah spot on

632
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,880
well and and this reminds me or i think

633
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,440
of uh the article that we saw from billy

634
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,320
cox the other day um where he was

635
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,080
talking about uh kind of the body

636
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,840
language analysis of a lot of the folks

637
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,200
that have come forward and mentioned

638
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:07,120
something about this topic so including

639
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,400
the presidents uh he mentioned uh

640
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,919
woolsey and brennan and brennan in

641
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,919
particular you know i've always been

642
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,080
fascinated by his response to the

643
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,600
questions that he received where he kind

644
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,440
of goes into this uh

645
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,600
he has this very kind of troubled you

646
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,600
know heavy weighed down sort of body

647
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,679
language can you do it nathan can you

648
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,200
yeah it's kind of like

649
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,120
uh you know what it's like and it's it

650
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,440
may constitute some kind of form of life

651
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:32,640
you know so

652
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,760
it's it seems clear that there is this

653
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,960
you know where i'm going with this dan

654
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,799
is that there's this human element here

655
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,559
right that it's and i think what you're

656
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,600
saying is

657
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,279
you know bring that to the forefront of

658
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:45,520
the engagement because really this this

659
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,480
issue

660
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,720
really does connect us on this

661
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,039
fundamental human level and those that

662
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,600
are kind of closer to the secrets it's

663
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,120
not that they don't feel that too you

664
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:56,960
know that they feel that very profoundly

665
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,000
and so by engaging them in this human

666
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,159
way it's a way to really create that

667
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,480
connection a sense that they will

668
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:07,039
uh be more likely to respond and and

669
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:08,559
they'll think of that

670
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,440
that you share with them when they're

671
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,400
kind of fighting for the this cause in

672
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,559
the halls of congress but what i wanted

673
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,720
to ask you about you know just as a

674
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:20,159
discussion topic

675
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,679
um i haven't listened to the entire

676
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,240
interview with dr priscilla and vinnie

677
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,159
but the part that i did catch was

678
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,760
something that i had not heard before

679
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,679
and she mentioned that

680
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,159
she has absolutely heard from people who

681
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,320
are in some of these

682
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,480
deep black programs

683
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,240
including she said

684
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,799
uh an individual who had been in the

685
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,960
program since they were 18

686
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,760
and

687
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,080
they are now about 60 years old how do

688
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,559
you get that job at 18. right so i was

689
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,919
thinking i was trying to do the math on

690
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,080
that right that's like early 80s you

691
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,120
know 40 years ago uh must have been like

692
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,279
a super bright person that just i don't

693
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,039
know that got picked up into the program

694
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:01,120
but i mean how far back do you think

695
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,240
this goes

696
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,640
uh where is the biggest amount of smoke

697
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,559
in your mind in terms of the legacy

698
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,720
programs that might be out there

699
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,400
i'm gonna say the most obvious thing

700
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:12,080
that's ever been said on the show i

701
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,520
think it dates back to 1947. i mean

702
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,440
everybody's been talking

703
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,760
it's been shocking to me how many people

704
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,320
have been talking about roswell lately

705
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,440
like i thought that was

706
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,480
too far gone to be of any value to be of

707
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,279
any benefit to this community but it has

708
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,600
reared its head again it is shocking to

709
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:35,919
me that that's where lou elizondo has

710
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,240
pointed that's where donald trump has

711
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,720
pointed there's been so so many people

712
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,600
commenting on that recently that it is

713
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,000
making me look back at it

714
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:48,080
and and view it in a different light i i

715
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:49,840
don't know how else to say it but it's

716
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,640
something happened in 1947

717
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:54,400
all signs are pointing to it and it

718
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,279
wasn't a weather balloon it wasn't

719
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,000
dummies that's so funny it just he was

720
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:01,760
saying it

721
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:05,120
so it the the best thing that you can

722
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:05,919
hear

723
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,799
as far as 1947 goes are the

724
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,120
radio clips that they play i can't i

725
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,640
can't tell you exactly what youtube

726
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,000
channel put this together as a

727
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,200
compilation but they they play the

728
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,760
the news segments from the day they

729
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,559
found it the day that night and then the

730
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,200
next day the tone changes and then it

731
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:27,200
changes some more and it's just this

732
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:28,159
weird

733
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,360
um

734
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,880
trajectory that this story takes from

735
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,200
ramping up to all of a sudden being

736
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,679
squashed completely flat it's it's

737
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,320
really strange it's really telling in my

738
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,600
opinion

739
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,159
i i think nathan and deb and i think you

740
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,840
can even you and i have probably had

741
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,919
this conversation during our very early

742
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,600
phone conversations i never didn't

743
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,640
believe

744
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,799
just by the nature of how it went down i

745
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,480
never didn't believe it for a second

746
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,400
because i knew it was crap just because

747
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,240
i i know how they work and i know how

748
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,559
they you know that they would try to do

749
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,799
that so i just kind of i never believed

750
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,039
that and and also who would make a big

751
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:07,039
deal if it was a crash weather balloon

752
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,320
why the hell are we having all these

753
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,320
deuce and a halfs and tractor trailers

754
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,360
rolling out to uh i'm corona new mexico

755
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,240
which is like 90 miles from roswell

756
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,799
uh to pick up a weather balloon and you

757
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,760
know uh so i mean it's just absurd on

758
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:22,960
his face but

759
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,760
anyway i digress uh one thing i did want

760
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,080
to say though is what you said though

761
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,360
is uh about that that they feel like tim

762
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,760
feels like he's one of us and and

763
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,000
and kirsten does as well

764
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,320
uh and that it's it's uh it's by

765
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,240
political if you will

766
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:41,600
is

767
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,520
different background than myself as are

768
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,240
you and and deb also is from a

769
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,840
completely different background than

770
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,679
three of us and i'd like to say to

771
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,919
people that these folks like uh whether

772
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:58,080
you're talking about a richard butt or a

773
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:01,919
lou elizondo or dan warren uh i you know

774
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,720
lou elizondo is you as it as it relates

775
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,440
to ufology dan warren is you nathan is

776
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,399
you exo is you i'm you

777
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:13,120
there's not we're all after the same

778
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,000
thing

779
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,559
deb is you you know there's not a well

780
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,760
there's this group and then there's that

781
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,200
group and this group's trying to no

782
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:21,440
we're all trying to figure out what's

783
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,029
a rising tide lifts all boats like we're

784
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,720
all trying to get answers we're all

785
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,320
trying to figure this out and we're

786
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:32,559
taking different paths to try to get to

787
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,440
the same endpoint and

788
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,880
we all have our different journeys in

789
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,399
life and we're all taking different

790
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,799
journeys in the ufo

791
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,480
analysis like we're trying to figure

792
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,799
this out there's no us and them is the

793
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,880
point though lou is one of us he wants

794
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,120
to know too you know except for stephen

795
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,640
green street shout out to steven's green

796
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:52,559
street

797
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,760
i think he wants it's drones

798
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,440
i love you steven

799
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,440
i think he wants to be convinced that's

800
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,279
what it is oh yeah i mean i can't fault

801
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,240
the guy like he's he's asking hard

802
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,039
questions that are not getting answered

803
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,840
i can't fault the guy for asking

804
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,000
are we gonna let people

805
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,880
society nathan has a hypothesis on this

806
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,039
nathan you ready before no i'm not going

807
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,799
to go there okay don't do it okay all

808
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,240
right go ahead

809
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:21,840
okay so

810
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,559
and it was a combination of like my own

811
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,000
research because you know we really do

812
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,320
go on a journey and you know listening

813
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,640
to dr prizolka

814
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:33,279
on vinnie's show i was thinking about

815
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,559
how often religions and cultures have

816
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,880
parallel things going on

817
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,559
um do you think that there's a

818
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,000
possibility

819
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,880
that the inheritance model of an ancient

820
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,039
civilization is true

821
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,760
it also is reflected in our religion and

822
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,520
that might explain

823
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,360
the possibility of

824
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,679
ultra terrestrials as mentioned by hal

825
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,120
put off

826
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,840
i think it very well could be um if you

827
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,640
look at the megalithic record which is

828
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:04,799
just the large stone construction that's

829
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,080
occurred in humanities past the most the

830
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,799
largest stones the most elaborate work

831
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,679
is the earliest it sits on the bottom

832
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,000
other civilizations basically found

833
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,480
those sites inherited those sites

834
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,240
built upon them

835
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,159
the question i have is why did those

836
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,000
original builders pick that location

837
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:25,600
what was the significance of that

838
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,399
location or if it had some significance

839
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:30,320
why would you build on the top of machu

840
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,520
picchu

841
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:33,840
with these giant stones and that is in

842
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,159
my opinion if you guys don't know go

843
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,320
look up a brian forrester video on

844
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,720
youtube about machu picchu and you're

845
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,000
going to be blown away you're going to

846
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,080
find out that there's three different

847
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,000
levels of

848
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,159
techniques building techniques that took

849
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,399
place in that same location and the

850
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,200
oldest stuff is the most amazing it's

851
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,799
just it blows my mind so there's

852
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,760
something

853
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:58,080
we were handed this information those

854
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,039
sites

855
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,360
we we built upon them for obvious

856
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,880
reasons they were there

857
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,720
they were picked because there was value

858
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,480
in that location for resources or

859
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,000
whatever it was

860
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:10,000
um and the same could be true in my

861
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,360
opinion for

862
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,600
religion like maybe we didn't understand

863
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,440
why people

864
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,519
worship the way that they did we we

865
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,519
heard about it we interpreted it the way

866
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,519
that we could and i don't want to even

867
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,279
say anything about this because nathan's

868
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,200
in on the panel and he's gonna he's

869
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:26,960
gonna tell me where i'm wrong that's

870
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,840
fine but but the but the religion in my

871
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,399
opinion that jumps out to me as

872
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,120
what's up with those guys is the indian

873
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,159
religion the the gods that they had

874
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,039
it's just phenomenal their their history

875
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,000
their religious history is

876
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,159
aliens and that's there's no other way

877
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,600
to talk about extraterrestrials that

878
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:49,279
came to earth and they had blue skin and

879
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,120
four arms and or however many arms um it

880
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,600
why was that so significant

881
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,760
why is it that chris bledsoe

882
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,760
was visited by the lady and she told

883
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,240
them that her name was hathor who is a

884
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,200
egyptian god so

885
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,679
why did lou elizondo make the cigarette

886
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:09,519
analogy where he said some beings

887
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,399
experience time differently than we do

888
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,440
maybe there are some cree some beings

889
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,600
that ex that have a longer

890
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:19,279
existence than we do that we don't

891
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,559
understand

892
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,960
so it could be that

893
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,000
hathor

894
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,080
that chris bledsoe met

895
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,880
is the same hathor from egypt that they

896
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,360
depicted on the walls of her temple so

897
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:33,200
it to me there there could be some

898
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,559
hand-me-down

899
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,799
religious context associated with it

900
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,000
that

901
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:39,679
i want to know about

902
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,559
that's where i think um what does it

903
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,720
mean to be a human

904
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,279
really comes into play like why why are

905
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,720
we

906
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,640
classifying ourselves as human what are

907
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,320
these other things

908
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,000
these things that

909
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,799
may come as was it woosley or brennan

910
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,799
that said these things may represent

911
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,039
something we may recognize as something

912
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,679
that's similar to life like what a vague

913
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,480
noncommittal statement to make right

914
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,480
which is something which is something

915
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,120
else that i've picked up on as a pattern

916
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,360
so he basically got on that show and

917
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,159
said there's something up there we don't

918
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,320
really know exactly what it is

919
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,159
lou elizondo recommended that we read

920
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,240
the book chains of the sea

921
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,480
what's that book about

922
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,640
it's about multiple different possible

923
00:33:30,669 --> 00:33:29,600
origins of the uap uh phenomena

924
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,679
including

925
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,240
extraterrestrials

926
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,320
something that is terrestrial in nature

927
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:35,840
and has always been here and is more

928
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,960
akin to the gin than humanity but we

929
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,559
just can't perceive it

930
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,880
how prudhoff goes on and talks about

931
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,480
ultra-terrestrials

932
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,559
which could be a variety of different

933
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,679
origins including the ancient race of

934
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,960
humanity

935
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,720
that

936
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,440
are there's only remnants left of which

937
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,200
leads to the crypto-terrestrial

938
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,720
hypothesis so

939
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,559
it's all intertwined and this is where i

940
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:03,200
just feel like we don't know and if you

941
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,559
listen to the guys that were talking

942
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,480
about this back in the 60s

943
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,159
they sound like they could be on this

944
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,679
podcast today

945
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,599
they'd say the exact same thing today

946
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:13,359
that they did back in the 60s i don't

947
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,800
think that

948
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,200
we as as species

949
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,960
has the ability to understand what we're

950
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,399
dealing with yet

951
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,919
i'm hoping that we get there at some

952
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,440
point but i don't think we understand

953
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,560
what it is

954
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,560
jacques volley said et's are too simple

955
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,800
of an answer i'm going to have to go

956
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:31,359
with him on this one for the moment

957
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,800
one thing i'm going to say i want to say

958
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,320
two things first of all nathan can you

959
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,639
please send dan a check just for that

960
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,760
last

961
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,919
segment alone absolutely send him a

962
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:41,280
check

963
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:44,560
on the way all right um and dan the only

964
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,359
thing

965
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:46,960
the only part i

966
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,879
i think our capacity for understanding

967
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:52,639
is is great

968
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:53,359
but

969
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:57,119
if i were to ask you to just know

970
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,079
as

971
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,720
somebody out of the womb so to speak how

972
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,280
to do advanced mathematics without

973
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,119
someone to stand at the blackboard and

974
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,680
say dan this is how it goes you see i'm

975
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,520
going to write out this equation and

976
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:11,680
then maybe you could pick it up i feel

977
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,960
like if if we had contact where their

978
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,560
aim or their goal

979
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,520
was to have us to understand i believe

980
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,079
and this is maybe complete naivete on my

981
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,960
part so let me just say that i believe

982
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,200
we would have the capacity to understand

983
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,000
if they wanted to explain the nature of

984
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,240
their origin to us

985
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,240
so i'm gonna go with

986
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:37,200
what i feel like you're describing is

987
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,960
if they gave if they gifted us a craft

988
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,400
that wouldn't

989
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,320
explain it to us like sit they wouldn't

990
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,320
be sitting in front of a chalkboard

991
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,240
teaching us their technology but they

992
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,800
would say hey look this is a craft it

993
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,720
can do amazing things

994
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,280
don't give up keep trying

995
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,200
learn for yourself and that's how i view

996
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,440
the ufo topic as far as

997
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,920
educating people about it i'm not gonna

998
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,480
sit there and try to convince you that

999
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,880
the ufo that ufos are real what i'm

1000
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:08,640
gonna do is i'm gonna say hey

1001
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,839
here's some information that i found

1002
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,920
compelling look into it yourself make

1003
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,000
think for yourself and make up your own

1004
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,000
mind as to if you think this is

1005
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,920
something that's worthwhile digging into

1006
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,160
deeper and if it is

1007
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,920
man there's so much more for you to find

1008
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,160
your your learning journey has just

1009
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:28,640
begun so that's that's my goal with my

1010
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,839
tick tock channel is to get people

1011
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,720
to to hook them with that curiosity bug

1012
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,440
that what if uh

1013
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,839
question that that has been bouncing

1014
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,240
around in my head like a ping-pong ball

1015
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:43,920
and a glass jar

1016
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,480
for 43 years

1017
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,000
wow well you answered christopher

1018
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,000
sharp's second question so thank you i

1019
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,079
don't remember what it was no that was

1020
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,240
it he wanted to kind of know so what you

1021
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,640
just said about i i go to tick tock i'm

1022
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,000
going to put the i'm not going to tell

1023
00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:00,079
you you need to believe this which is

1024
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,200
which is the

1025
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,280
in my view it's the right stance i don't

1026
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:05,040
have to make you believe anything or

1027
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,560
convince you of anything

1028
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,880
uh i'm this is what i found out if you

1029
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,040
want to take this information in great

1030
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,880
if you don't have a great day

1031
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,640
nathan i think you're next

1032
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,480
yeah well i i i mean just on the

1033
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:18,320
megalithic thing and and kind of the

1034
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,880
overall human story right um i i i feel

1035
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:25,280
as if what we're learning is how much we

1036
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,480
don't know

1037
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,280
you know and and this topic is very good

1038
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,839
at i think exposing how much we don't

1039
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:32,800
know

1040
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,040
our kind of western conception of

1041
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,720
history and ancient history archaeology

1042
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,880
all these kind of subjects that

1043
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,480
you know you and i we were born into

1044
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,160
just thinking like oh we kind of figured

1045
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,839
this stuff out and we had these

1046
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,000
disciplines and it all makes sense and

1047
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:52,000
they're very thoughtful and and well you

1048
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:53,359
know orchestrated or whatever and they

1049
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,400
have these systems and they're

1050
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,560
explaining our history and it's all very

1051
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,480
neat and tidy and the truth of the

1052
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,160
matter is like we're really just in our

1053
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,280
infancy and we've thrown a narrative at

1054
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,760
the wall here that you know has done a

1055
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,839
decent job explaining

1056
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,320
our past but the more that we dig the

1057
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,920
more that we look around the more we

1058
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,680
kind of have to go wait a minute i don't

1059
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,280
know if that narrative

1060
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:17,599
quite fits the facts and i think the

1061
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:20,560
mega the megalithic structures to me

1062
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,280
really highlight that in in the kind of

1063
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,960
and start deep detail you know how do

1064
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,800
you have all of these incredible

1065
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,200
structures around the world and just

1066
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,560
sort of say well i mean the ancient

1067
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,480
people they were just you know really

1068
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,920
they really liked building this stuff

1069
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,280
and they just put a lot of people to it

1070
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,480
and they all kind of figured out these

1071
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:38,160
techniques and yeah we don't know how to

1072
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,280
do it but i mean they were all just

1073
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,880
doing at the same time even though by

1074
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,079
the way they didn't actually have any

1075
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,760
connection with each other they didn't i

1076
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,079
mean none of that really makes any sense

1077
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,760
yeah exactly in

1078
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,880
incredibly hard stone and yeah

1079
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,200
there's tool marks on the granite that

1080
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,599
can't be explained by pounding one rock

1081
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,440
with another like there's just things

1082
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,720
that oh

1083
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,960
it's the anomalies that we're finding

1084
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,560
that make us question

1085
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,200
the narrative the historical narrative

1086
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,760
of humanity just like it is the

1087
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,599
anomalies that we're finding in our

1088
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,200
skies right now that are making us

1089
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,480
question our reality yeah for sure and

1090
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,920
so what do you think

1091
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,359
you know if you were to kind of peer

1092
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,040
into the crystal ball a little bit into

1093
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,640
the next hundred years

1094
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,640
obviously we can kind of speculate a lot

1095
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:24,000
here but

1096
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,520
you know what do you think that this

1097
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,280
means for the stories that we take for

1098
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,520
granted today i mean how much reworking

1099
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,440
are we going to see happen as this

1100
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,240
continues to uh unfold and run its

1101
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,280
course

1102
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,119
so there's what i think and then there's

1103
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,200
what i hope for let's see

1104
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,480
um

1105
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,880
i heard this this is it's gonna go i'm

1106
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,720
gonna go dark first

1107
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,760
so um and then i'll i'll brighten it up

1108
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,040
but the

1109
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,560
statement that i heard that has stuck

1110
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:52,720
with me like if you want to envision the

1111
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,079
future just envision a boot on a skull

1112
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,280
and that's the future of humanity and

1113
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,920
unfortunately i have to believe that

1114
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,119
based on

1115
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,119
past being an indicator of the future

1116
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:07,200
i've seen that movie too by the way yeah

1117
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,400
yeah

1118
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,480
so my hopes

1119
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,359
my hope is that what we find out is that

1120
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,680
just like graham hancock has said

1121
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,599
many many times that we are a species

1122
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,359
with amnesia

1123
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,319
that our historical record has been

1124
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,720
wiped off the face of the earth think of

1125
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,720
noah's flood it's it's in multiple

1126
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,040
different uh religions and documents

1127
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:30,800
around the world if you look into the

1128
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,440
work of randall carlson who actually met

1129
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,520
a few weeks ago and i'll tell you right

1130
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,079
now i was i was shaking like a leaf

1131
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,480
nervous because like he is one of those

1132
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,200
guys to me that is my wife has no idea

1133
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,680
who he is but i'm just like i'm fanning

1134
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,040
out is

1135
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,160
i was so nervous to meet him um but he

1136
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,480
has found all the evidence in the

1137
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:54,960
geographical record in the channel scab

1138
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:58,400
lands of washington of an enormous flood

1139
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,079
not a gradual deterioration of the

1140
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,560
strata that that we see on the surface

1141
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:07,119
of the earth but a sudden catastrophic

1142
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:08,079
event

1143
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,440
so what i think is going to happen in

1144
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:11,200
the next 100 years is that we're going

1145
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:12,560
to confirm

1146
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,599
that we as a species have been subjected

1147
00:41:21,590 --> 00:41:18,240
to numerous catastrophic events that

1148
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,600
have reset us and demolished our

1149
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,359
[Music]

1150
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,920
current civilizations but we retained

1151
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,319
the core story through verbal

1152
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,000
communications

1153
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,440
through finding these these locations

1154
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,760
that have these structures that we

1155
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,599
aren't able to to

1156
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,240
make ourselves so we decided to build on

1157
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,680
them we decided to try to replicate them

1158
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,040
we try to

1159
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:45,920
add hieroglyphs to them to to make them

1160
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,119
ours to add our little piece to this

1161
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,200
slice of history

1162
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,960
that's what i'm hoping for in the next

1163
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,359
100 years is that we recognize that as a

1164
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,680
society that hey

1165
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,160
existence is fleeting on earth

1166
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,040
an asteroid to come and wreck our

1167
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,480
civilization

1168
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,400
um one one thing that i've heard people

1169
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:07,520
talk about

1170
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,880
with the time traveler the hypothesis

1171
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,960
is they'll say well why would a

1172
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,800
highly advanced human want to come back

1173
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,359
and find out our history when they know

1174
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,079
it already and to me

1175
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,960
i refer to the the fact that a

1176
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,040
technological society is going to be the

1177
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:26,880
easiest one to erase

1178
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,160
like there's there's all these podcast

1179
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:32,640
tweets that we make they're gonna vanish

1180
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,079
with a power outage with a emp we're not

1181
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,839
gonna exist those records aren't gonna

1182
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,440
exist they could be easily wiped from

1183
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,520
the record a thousand years from now of

1184
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,280
course they're gonna be gone if if

1185
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,280
something had happened stone's going to

1186
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,200
last longer that's going to be part of

1187
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,800
the record that we're going to see

1188
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,960
i think the landfills are going to be

1189
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:51,760
our

1190
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,359
uh contribution to the future to history

1191
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,960
yeah yeah that's where that's where

1192
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,400
they're gonna they're gonna root through

1193
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,480
our landfills and try to figure us out

1194
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,920
based on our trash

1195
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:03,040
yeah

1196
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,319
now they're gonna find out how much my

1197
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,560
hip surgery cost in that case

1198
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,510
anyway no this is fascinating and by the

1199
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,960
way it made me think that when we have

1200
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,440
dr michael masters on we should have dan

1201
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,760
back on because i have a feeling that

1202
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,160
you guys would have a great dialogue

1203
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,680
um and debs uh i think it's your turn my

1204
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,599
friend yeah i actually think it's so

1205
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,200
weird that you were talking about that

1206
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:28,880
because i was watching the national

1207
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,240
geographic special about moving the

1208
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,319
ocean aside to see what's underneath and

1209
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,319
the ancient civilizations that are

1210
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,599
actually being found in the ocean so i

1211
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,440
was i was looking for atlantis of course

1212
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:43,920
but that's i think it's fictitious but

1213
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,119
um i wanted to ask if you had heard

1214
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,760
about the mini hominids

1215
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,200
because i know you're interested a

1216
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,359
little bit

1217
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,119
is that incredibly there's there's two

1218
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,520
now there's one that was off of the

1219
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,000
island uh hold on i wrote this in in

1220
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,920
indonesia and one yes that's the one i'm

1221
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:03,760
familiar with and the one one in the

1222
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,040
philippines and they just happen to be

1223
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,280
the same size as what we talked about

1224
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,280
when we talk about the grays

1225
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,200
don't you think that's peculiar they're

1226
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,400
about 3.5 to 4 feet tall

1227
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,760
and we

1228
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:20,000
i i just think that that's something

1229
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,520
people should be investigating there's

1230
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,599
lots of stories in our folklore about

1231
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,720
fairies

1232
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,400
and little people

1233
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,560
and you know sprites and things like

1234
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,119
that so what what is your input on

1235
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,839
the hominids

1236
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,680
i just want to say that james is

1237
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,359
referred to both nathan and i as that

1238
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,760
species so this is a bit of a sensitive

1239
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,480
topic right now oh i'm very sorry i'm

1240
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,280
pretty sure you're not 3.5 feet tall

1241
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,280
though okay

1242
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,760
so it's almost like those species of

1243
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,560
humanity would have a vested interest in

1244
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,200
avoiding contact with us and relying on

1245
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:57,440
stealth to survive

1246
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,400
so

1247
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,079
if you

1248
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,839
which is i'm alluding to the

1249
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:04,079
crypto-terrestrial hypothesis so it

1250
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,880
could

1251
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,680
very well be that in our ancient past at

1252
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,160
some point there have been

1253
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,839
hominids that

1254
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,160
relied on stealth relied on

1255
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,560
staying out of our way more or less to

1256
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,720
survive and that could be

1257
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,280
because they're smaller than us or

1258
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,720
something that would

1259
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,480
require them to do it the one of the

1260
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:26,560
things that blows my mind is looking at

1261
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,400
the elongated skulls of paracas

1262
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,640
those things looked pathetically weak

1263
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,760
like if you look at them they're like

1264
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,839
man those things couldn't put up with me

1265
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,960
in a fight

1266
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,960
their brains were

1267
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,599
25 larger than us their eye sockets were

1268
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,440
50 larger than us

1269
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,720
maybe they lived in a different

1270
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,640
environment than we do

1271
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:47,920
than we did

1272
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:50,880
so maybe that's how they survived they

1273
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,760
it's

1274
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,839
i'm of the opinion that what happened

1275
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:55,680
was they came from the black seas they

1276
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,960
made it to peru made it to barakas

1277
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,119
they decided to try to

1278
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,200
live amongst the people there

1279
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,400
and just like the neanderthal like

1280
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,720
the two three of the four of us i'm not

1281
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,119
sure about uw have neanderthal dna in

1282
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,040
our genes

1283
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:15,520
i have a lot apparently

1284
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:16,319
the

1285
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,599
were close enough to us genetically to

1286
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,599
where they were able to breed with the

1287
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,119
population there

1288
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:34,880
and they just kind of

1289
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,160
became part of the population so they

1290
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,319
they had something

1291
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,400
genetically different from us that was

1292
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,040
bred out of their lineage at some point

1293
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:47,359
and it was but where did they come from

1294
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,400
why did they

1295
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,319
why did everything that's so different

1296
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,319
about those skulls exist in the first

1297
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,079
place where

1298
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:56,960
were they underground dwellers is what i

1299
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,359
lean to and is that why we

1300
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,720
wouldn't have ever found them if they

1301
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,119
hadn't come out of hiding and tried to

1302
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,920
live amongst the people of caracas

1303
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,760
it's it's worth noting that with the

1304
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:10,000
hominids that they were on islands and

1305
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,520
with almost all the ancient

1306
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,240
civilizations that have gone underwater

1307
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,160
they were right next to the water like

1308
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,640
an island so you know it kind of makes

1309
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,079
you wonder everything's coming out of

1310
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,839
the water now is there something we

1311
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,079
missed i'm just very curious about that

1312
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,079
i wish we knew all the answers

1313
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,559
and something to point out is uh during

1314
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,079
the younger dryas

1315
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,040
event where there was rapid heating the

1316
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,079
sea levels rose 400 feet and i want to

1317
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,400
say a thousand years i'm giving myself a

1318
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:40,000
little buffer there i'm not exactly sure

1319
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:41,440
how how long

1320
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,960
i'm writing this down right 400 feet got

1321
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:46,000
it

1322
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,680
that that gets you basically to the

1323
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,359
continental shelf

1324
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,280
of all of the continents around the

1325
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,520
world like indonesia

1326
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,200
those areas were

1327
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,200
there there was so much land that was

1328
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,520
exposed and of course where are our

1329
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,920
civilizations going to build themselves

1330
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,079
when we first started to civilize would

1331
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,640
be along the shoreline so

1332
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:09,200
we've lost an enormous amount of our

1333
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,559
history um that i want to get back

1334
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,160
someday and so that's one of the things

1335
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,240
that i hope for for the ufo uh

1336
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,160
phenomenon is it'll be like oh yeah we

1337
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,119
know that we hear some videos of what

1338
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,040
happened twelve thousand five hundred

1339
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,119
years ago

1340
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,359
dan if only you read a little bit more

1341
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:29,839
uh dude i'm telling you i don't read

1342
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,720
more topics so if you could kind of i

1343
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,680
absorbed via podcast youtube and well i

1344
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,520
have read some of graham

1345
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,440
i just feel like you just motivated me

1346
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,079
to talk to aliens more i want to talk

1347
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,200
about our history now yes debs you

1348
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,559
should be i don't i can't believe you

1349
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,000
haven't been doing this i can't believe

1350
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:49,760
they still can't help that a word that's

1351
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,119
not pc anymore man

1352
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,319
hey i have a mac uh but anyway um

1353
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,640
dan like i just now since you're being

1354
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,280
i've got one two three four five

1355
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,359
questions that i've generated just since

1356
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,280
you've begun talking that are great

1357
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,920
questions so um we might extend this one

1358
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,440
out a little bit and also i want to

1359
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,760
encourage you i literally forgot that

1360
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:13,520
we're in the fireside chat format which

1361
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,720
means you can pose a question to someone

1362
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,640
else or a topic for the group because

1363
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,160
that's really what we're supposed to be

1364
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,160
doing here but we've been so fascinated

1365
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,160
to ask you questions that we forgot all

1366
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:25,920
about it right now yeah

1367
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,400
good times yeah yeah we totally forgot

1368
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,520
it um so after this uh i'm gonna ask you

1369
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,400
about our friend who is very ever

1370
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,400
omnipresent in the woods up there in

1371
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,200
tennessee uh but but well i shouldn't

1372
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,000
say friend because now after

1373
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,079
okay what happened is nathan turned me

1374
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:47,040
on to sasquatch chronicles dan sent me

1375
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,559
an episode

1376
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,400
today about that i sent him the best

1377
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:52,480
episode ever

1378
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,640
it was it i don't know if it's the best

1379
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,520
ever

1380
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:57,599
that i've heard on his show because he

1381
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,280
has so many amazing episodes two hikers

1382
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,960
in kentucky he's got so many great

1383
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,800
episodes but it was great and i did

1384
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,200
listen to the whole thing so let's talk

1385
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,200
about bigfoot and after the stand you

1386
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,000
can either throw out a topic for the

1387
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,079
group to consider or ask someone in the

1388
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:16,480
group a question if you so choose

1389
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,430
um i i was so gratified to hear that you

1390
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,160
have an interest in the topic since

1391
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,079
nathan's fully responsible for me not

1392
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,839
sleeping for

1393
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,920
five out of the last ten nights

1394
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,119
um

1395
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,920
what is your your thought on uh let can

1396
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,079
we just start with completely

1397
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:40,720
terrestrial creature or possibly

1398
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,839
terrestrial and interdimensional or one

1399
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,760
or the other and then you can just take

1400
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:46,800
it wherever you want to go with it

1401
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,839
please

1402
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,760
all right as far

1403
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,079
my gut tells me it's a terrestrial

1404
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,200
hominid just natural creature

1405
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:56,800
um

1406
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,599
i don't see why

1407
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:01,760
when i look at humanity i see a lot of

1408
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,400
variety i see a huge amount of variety

1409
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:05,920
just like i see

1410
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,640
when i look at the canine species i mean

1411
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,200
it just runs the gamut of sizes and

1412
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:13,200
shapes and colors and

1413
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:16,240
so why wouldn't there be

1414
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,240
a great dane version of humanity that

1415
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:22,559
wouldn't be exactly like us they could

1416
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,160
be a derivative a branch off of our tree

1417
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,559
the denisovans were larger than us the

1418
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,119
neanderthals were shorter but stouter

1419
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:33,440
than us so why wouldn't there be

1420
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:34,480
a

1421
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:55,520
type people

1422
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,400
the work of hugh newman and

1423
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:01,200
jim vieira is phenomenal or they've gone

1424
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,319
back in the newspapers where they have

1425
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,640
reports of finding large bones

1426
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,880
um the the oral tradition of the native

1427
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,240
americans where they say they were

1428
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:12,079
people that were well proportioned that

1429
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,520
were enormous

1430
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,200
that like there's got to be something to

1431
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,680
it in my opinion if it has been

1432
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,200
so well

1433
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:21,440
documented and i'll say

1434
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,200
in in our oral traditions in our

1435
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:26,800
histories if you look at gilgamesh

1436
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,240
in samaria he was holding two giants or

1437
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:33,040
two lions in his arms

1438
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,079
egypt has depictions of giant

1439
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,800
human beings next to regular-sized

1440
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,280
people that look like dwarfs so to me

1441
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:43,040
there's something there what it is i

1442
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,160
don't know

1443
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,480
but i want to believe that bigfoot's

1444
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,359
there um because of micah hanks i feel

1445
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,319
like i can talk about bigfoot uh and

1446
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,720
ufos in the same podcast

1447
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,559
micah hanks what's up

1448
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:59,280
and um if when it but then there's those

1449
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,400
anomalies

1450
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,319
that show up when you start looking into

1451
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,400
the bigfoot topic

1452
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,040
they're they're accompanied by lights

1453
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,440
in the forest that

1454
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:11,599
that are unexplainable that sound like

1455
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,599
orbs there's nothing else i can describe

1456
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,319
them as but they sound like orbs

1457
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,559
that they have a relationship with i

1458
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,079
don't know if they have control of them

1459
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:22,480
if they have a symbiotic relationship

1460
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,280
but they're seen in similar scenarios at

1461
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,200
similar times

1462
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,760
i've heard some crazy ones on uh

1463
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,760
sasquatch chronicles where

1464
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,119
i one

1465
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,520
a person ran into one with their car and

1466
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,440
as the bigfoot slapped the hood there

1467
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,280
was a flash of light and all of a sudden

1468
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,800
it was gone so

1469
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:42,880
there's there's all these anomalies that

1470
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:45,760
show up in it but just like the ufo

1471
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,760
topic and the stigma associated with it

1472
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,480
that keeps people from telling the truth

1473
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,240
telling their actual experiences because

1474
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,920
they're afraid of being judged

1475
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,520
same thing happens in the big foot world

1476
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:57,599
people don't want to talk about

1477
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,559
the the woo side of their experiences

1478
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,559
their encounters that they

1479
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,400
don't want to be looked down upon

1480
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:06,079
because they had this strange thing

1481
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,520
happen

1482
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:09,599
and then you can also take a look at the

1483
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:13,119
work of stan gordon out of pittsburgh uh

1484
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:16,640
pennsylvania pennsylvania who

1485
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:19,599
was a amazing ufo researcher and then he

1486
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:22,000
started to notice patterns which is one

1487
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,280
of the reason like i said one of the

1488
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:25,040
things that i am looking for all the

1489
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,640
time is patterns

1490
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,800
he's found a pattern where there were

1491
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,680
ufo sightings and then there were

1492
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:33,200
bigfoot sightings

1493
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,480
and if you

1494
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,160
want to say this guy's not a good

1495
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:38,240
researcher you've never looked into his

1496
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,280
research

1497
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,319
he was very thorough very complete with

1498
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,760
what he did so

1499
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,240
for somebody of that caliber to look at

1500
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,160
this

1501
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,319
bigfoot phenomenon and say there is a

1502
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,079
link between the bigfoot phenomena and

1503
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:54,960
the ufo phenomena i got to give it some

1504
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,520
credence i have to look at it i i have

1505
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,760
to not judge it

1506
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,599
make my mind up and then look at it i

1507
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:03,680
have to come into it with an open mind

1508
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,640
and say

1509
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,400
let me see what he's got let me see how

1510
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,559
he's linking these two things together

1511
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,079
there's just so much odd stuff

1512
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,079
associated with bigfoot

1513
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,319
for instance we can't find any skeletal

1514
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,200
remains of them like how why why that

1515
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,440
seems so odd that we wouldn't be able to

1516
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,799
at this point

1517
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,160
i don't know if that answered a question

1518
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,599
but that'll just be rambling about

1519
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,400
bigfoot ufos and orbs i love it no i was

1520
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:28,960
going to say that i i think you i think

1521
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,440
you did i mean you said that it's a def

1522
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,280
it's something that you have to consider

1523
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,119
because of the evidence and i don't know

1524
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:37,359
if nathan heard the same episode of

1525
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:38,880
sasquatch chronicles and by the way

1526
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,920
shout out to wes germer uh he and a

1527
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,079
combination of he his brother and his

1528
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,280
colleagues have not almost 900 episodes

1529
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:49,680
which is remarkable

1530
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:52,640
yeah yes uh but one of them was that uh

1531
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:57,040
uh they saw a a sasquatch underneath a

1532
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,079
limb

1533
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:00,799
and when when the the sasquatch

1534
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,760
disappeared over a ridgeline they ran up

1535
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,079
to where he was standing under this you

1536
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,319
know this prodigious limb and there was

1537
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,400
a static electricity president that

1538
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,400
obviously you know that they could feel

1539
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,880
that static electricity that that those

1540
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,240
are the kinds of things that lead to

1541
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,400
that hypothesis you were just talking

1542
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,839
about because static electricity just

1543
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,440
doesn't exist during the daytime in the

1544
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:24,720
woods uh surrounded by uh material that

1545
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,079
doesn't conduct electricity so

1546
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,720
uh but anyway dan uh thank you for

1547
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,319
bringing that out because we we're gonna

1548
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,319
get cryptid up in this joint

1549
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,119
um can you uh would you like to either

1550
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:39,440
present a topic to the group or ask

1551
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,160
somebody a question uh i'll throw a

1552
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,480
cryptid question out there i i feel like

1553
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,760
if you've

1554
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:48,480
dove into the cryptid world you've got a

1555
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,280
favorite like who is what is your

1556
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,680
favorite cryptid that's not just bigfoot

1557
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,760
you can't name bigfoot you can't name

1558
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,920
logness what is your

1559
00:57:03,030 --> 00:56:59,680
your underground

1560
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:03,040
uh underdog cryptid

1561
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,559
i mean i love mothman i got you know

1562
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,640
right west virginia right right point

1563
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,400
pleasant i mean what a cool story

1564
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,040
there's just uh i mean

1565
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,280
flying moth i would love to be mothman

1566
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,760
fly around you know

1567
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:19,920
it sounds sweet

1568
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,960
it's got its perks right totally

1569
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,119
i don't know i feel like are we going

1570
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,839
like possibly real or are we just going

1571
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:29,280
straight mythology because i love

1572
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:32,799
unicorns you can have one of each

1573
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,680
okay unicorns and mermaids and i saved

1574
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,760
the mermaids separately because people

1575
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,079
have seen some things in the water that

1576
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,319
make you go hmm that sounds more cryptid

1577
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,319
than mermaid

1578
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,160
all right i i want to throw a quick

1579
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,400
shout out based on the mermaid comment

1580
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,760
have you guys ever heard of max

1581
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,839
hawthorne

1582
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:54,400
he has been on spaced out radio and that

1583
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:58,960
guy is the best podcast guest ever like

1584
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:02,079
he has done all this research on sea

1585
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:03,280
creatures

1586
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,160
and

1587
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:06,799
has these amazing stories that he is he

1588
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,000
can re recount for you during it he's

1589
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:12,000
written several books called coronas

1590
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,040
rising

1591
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:16,240
um phenomenal guy man like i follow him

1592
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,359
on twitter

1593
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,400
and uh his interviews are always

1594
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,400
hilarious because his cat always he has

1595
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,319
like an enormous cat that always shows

1596
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:26,640
up and jumps on them and he talks to it

1597
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:29,839
like it's a baby on air it cracks me up

1598
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,079
but man the guy has some phenomenal

1599
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,119
stories like 900 foot long sharks wow

1600
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,280
there's just a creature that looked like

1601
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,599
a shell this turtle that was spotted and

1602
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,920
a picture was taken of it that was

1603
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,079
100 feet long or something just

1604
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,920
just ridiculous

1605
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:47,760
stuff that has been spotted in our

1606
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:50,319
oceans which makes me think about usos

1607
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,599
and um dave fravor's recounting of the

1608
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,599
the object that rose from underneath the

1609
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,760
torpedo sucked it down as they were

1610
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:59,280
pulling the diver that was trying to

1611
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,079
recover out of it like what is going on

1612
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,960
under the surface of the ocean mermaids

1613
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,480
it's huge

1614
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,319
yeah uh i wrote that one down wes

1615
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:10,640
hawthorne as a possible guest so i'll

1616
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,680
max hawthorne max oh sorry max author

1617
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,920
and i was con i was conflating with wes

1618
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:18,079
germer so max hawthorne thank you got

1619
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,040
that

1620
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:21,760
um and i'm gonna break one of the rules

1621
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:24,400
and say sasquatch just because

1622
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:27,839
i am fascinated with the idea of this

1623
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,400
creature that is potentially

1624
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,319
uh and you guys can take this around the

1625
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:35,119
table as well that is part us

1626
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:39,680
and maybe uh part primate and maybe a on

1627
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:40,480
um

1628
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,440
i hate to say unevolved because

1629
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:45,520
you know dan was talking about that if

1630
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:48,079
the power went off you know our records

1631
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:48,880
would

1632
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,559
very short period of time

1633
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:56,720
uh panic all these sorts of things and

1634
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:59,839
then if i if i refer to sasquatch as

1635
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:02,160
unevolved but yet this is a creature

1636
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:05,359
that has survived and thrived

1637
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:09,040
in the forest uh on its own for

1638
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,000
you know

1639
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:12,000
an untold period of time we don't i

1640
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,599
don't know how long dan might know

1641
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,680
nathan might know deb might know

1642
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:16,640
um

1643
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,359
then

1644
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,040
how how can i necessarily say it's

1645
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,960
unevolved maybe from a technological

1646
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:22,480
perspective yes

1647
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,520
um

1648
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:25,359
but but yeah i'm gonna say i'm very

1649
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,400
intrigued

1650
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:29,119
uh with that creature that it can

1651
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,599
in many cases live

1652
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:34,400
not harmoniously with humans but be able

1653
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:35,359
to

1654
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:40,079
interact with it

1655
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,359
uh and

1656
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:44,160
so i i find that fascinating there's not

1657
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,559
a lot of creatures that that fall into

1658
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,640
that category so i wouldn't call it

1659
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:50,880
unevolved i would say it was differently

1660
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:53,680
adapted it's adapted highly to its

1661
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,319
environment just and it evolved

1662
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,440
differently than we did just like i i

1663
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:02,079
think three of the four of us wear

1664
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,599
corrective lenses

1665
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,440
because we live in an environment we

1666
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:07,119
live in a world where looking at things

1667
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:08,160
close up

1668
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,920
is more important than looking at our

1669
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,400
surroundings at this point so

1670
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,000
um

1671
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:16,880
our our vision has deteriorated over the

1672
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:19,599
the last few generations because

1673
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,799
we don't need to be as aware of our

1674
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,960
entire surroundings like we used to i

1675
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,640
think that's part of it we're i feel

1676
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:29,040
like that's the current sign of us

1677
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,079
changing the way that our physical

1678
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,640
nature is i'm sure it has some a lot to

1679
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,640
do with the fact that our infant

1680
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:39,359
mortality rate is zero like if i had

1681
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:41,839
been born with my eyesight i had to get

1682
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,720
lasik i had to get prk which is the

1683
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,200
more extreme version of lasik um if i

1684
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,040
had been born with my eyesight back in

1685
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,359
the 1600s i would have died like no

1686
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,200
doubt about it i wouldn't have survived

1687
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:55,440
if i was born in

1688
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:56,480
50

1689
01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:00,000
bc i absolutely would have died so

1690
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,520
maybe it's just

1691
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,520
that's why our eyes are deteriorating

1692
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:05,200
i'm sure there's part of that

1693
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:06,640
but i think that

1694
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,799
we're watching ourselves we're

1695
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,280
we're evolving into wall-e right now

1696
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,359
like look at the american physique we're

1697
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:15,839
changing the way that we look by the way

1698
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:16,960
that we eat

1699
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:19,520
yeah it's crazy

1700
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,760
it you know you share this hypothesis i

1701
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:24,400
i nathan deb do you guys remember dr

1702
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:25,760
master said the same thing about

1703
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:31,750
yeah we asked him about that

1704
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,280
yeah and i think we know we often kind

1705
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,200
of confuse the fact that we've been so

1706
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:36,960
successful and that we're

1707
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:39,520
you know we spread around the globe with

1708
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,319
our kind of superiority right um

1709
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,119
you know ants are everywhere uh and they

1710
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:47,280
do a great job surviving and we don't

1711
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,960
interact with them all that much

1712
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,480
and they may think that they're really

1713
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,240
kind of all that there is so we have

1714
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:54,000
it's very possible we're in the same

1715
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:55,359
boat you know just because we're

1716
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,400
everywhere

1717
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,160
uh and we're doing a good job

1718
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,319
quote-unquote you know

1719
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,319
reproducing and passing our genes down

1720
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,319
doesn't really reflect at all to what

1721
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,400
else is out there around us and i think

1722
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,119
for me at least that's what the cryptids

1723
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,960
you know kind of hint to and the ufo

1724
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:12,640
sort of thing hints to

1725
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,960
is that we are

1726
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:17,200
really in this sort of rich atmosphere

1727
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,400
of life

1728
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:20,400
it's just that we can't perceive most of

1729
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,200
it and and we we've you know sort of

1730
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,000
conflated our inability to perceive that

1731
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,400
with that there's just nothing there

1732
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:30,799
that it's only what we can perceive and

1733
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:32,720
i think this is sort of peeking through

1734
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:33,599
our

1735
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:35,760
you know kind of routine perception

1736
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:36,640
and

1737
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:38,480
allowing us to

1738
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,119
realize how you know kind of small of a

1739
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:43,359
niche we actually occupy

1740
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,799
so it's almost like

1741
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:46,799
as louis lozando said we're in the

1742
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:49,920
middle like we're not on either end

1743
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:52,000
extreme end of the spectrum we're

1744
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:53,359
somewhere in the middle we're not the

1745
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:55,839
biggest fish we're not the smallest fish

1746
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:56,960
yeah

1747
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:01,440
i feel bad that i'm drinking red wine we

1748
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:03,039
have dan on i feel like i should be

1749
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,079
drinking pappy van winkle or that

1750
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:08,880
dan has a bottle of that at his house

1751
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,680
so

1752
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:11,280
i hope you don't judge me for the red

1753
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:14,559
wine dan no no not at all my wife drinks

1754
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,960
pinot grigio so uh

1755
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:18,640
you're closer to her taste buds than

1756
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,680
mine i'm i'm a whiskey guy

1757
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:24,000
what i just said pappy van winkle man i

1758
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,359
don't know what that is i don't know

1759
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:27,599
it's it's a bourbon oh my god it's so

1760
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:29,119
hard to get

1761
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:31,359
i think the bottles are going for i

1762
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:38,549
yeah it's they're obscenely expensive uh

1763
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,359
well

1764
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:41,280
i hate to sort of switch gears but i i

1765
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:43,200
wanted to uh

1766
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:44,319
i wanted to ask kind of an interesting

1767
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,839
question about about our history because

1768
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:46,880
we are kind of talking about history

1769
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,760
here but uh how much stake do you put in

1770
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,359
the uh

1771
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,119
and maybe i'll go to dj first with this

1772
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,039
one uh how much safety put into the

1773
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:57,039
whole eisenhower

1774
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,720
uh alien

1775
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:00,480
you know encounter do you think that

1776
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:03,200
there's a some truth to that story

1777
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:04,240
um

1778
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:07,119
you know based on when you look at

1779
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:08,640
you know eisenhower's a four-star

1780
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:11,760
general you look at how many

1781
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,760
uh men he lost in in world war ii

1782
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:17,280
and what that

1783
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,720
felt like to him as

1784
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,640
one of the premier officers in in the

1785
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:24,960
history of our nation who then became

1786
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,280
president he'd be very very sensitive to

1787
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:30,160
that issue as compared with not say that

1788
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:31,680
all presidents have to have served or

1789
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,119
anything like that i'm not

1790
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:35,760
from that that perspective but it would

1791
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:38,480
be particularly sensitive to him

1792
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:41,359
so the idea that he would

1793
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,240
um

1794
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:44,880
that he would trade lives for technology

1795
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:45,920
is not

1796
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,640
resonant uh with me i i don't think that

1797
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:51,280
that's something he would do however

1798
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:54,000
though nathan as the thought experiment

1799
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,480
yeah i think we could i think we could

1800
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,799
play this out a little bit and and maybe

1801
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,319
we can just free ourselves up a little

1802
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:02,400
bit you know yeah let's do it yeah

1803
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,240
what's a couple kids jumping in the pond

1804
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:06,960
in in uh in devil's tower i mean it's

1805
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:09,520
not a big deal right so

1806
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:11,920
all right so so we're me are we at

1807
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:13,760
edwards air force base is that where

1808
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:15,760
this yeah that's where supposedly the uh

1809
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:18,960
the meeting went down yeah dan

1810
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,440
debs people in the chat viewers on

1811
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,000
youtube and twitter we

1812
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,400
we are at the end of a runway or a

1813
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:28,640
lonely taxiway at edwards air force base

1814
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:30,839
i am representing dwight david

1815
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:33,890
eisenhower and nathan is the phenomenon

1816
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:36,880
[Laughter]

1817
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,359
so i've just landed my ship i guess huh

1818
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:42,160
yes sir yeah all right so uh so i guess

1819
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,559
you come on board and uh you know we're

1820
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:46,160
not really talking there's sort of a

1821
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:47,839
telepathy going on

1822
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:49,280
and uh

1823
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,720
i'm offering a little bit of a trade

1824
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:52,400
deal here

1825
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:53,520
you know i don't know if you've ever

1826
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,720
experienced this problem maybe you would

1827
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,640
like this technology it's uh it's pretty

1828
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:58,880
good but if you ever gone into a room

1829
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,760
and you needed to turn the lights on

1830
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,599
and uh you can't find the switch you

1831
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,760
know you're just like you don't remember

1832
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,280
not sure where it is

1833
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,839
or you got in bed and you forgot to hit

1834
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:10,960
the switch

1835
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,400
uh you know you don't want to get up

1836
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:14,640
again you know there's technology that

1837
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:17,200
we could give you where if you just kind

1838
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,760
of put your hands together it would

1839
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,880
turn the lights off would that be

1840
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,799
something that would be

1841
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:24,240
of interest to you would that be a good

1842
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:25,280
deal

1843
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:26,480
the clapper

1844
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:29,359
um yes uh i i think for yeah some sort

1845
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,720
of anti-gravity uh propulsion system and

1846
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:34,160
the clapper i

1847
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:39,029
uh you know otherwise i i'll tell you

1848
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:41,200
what i i have a counteroffer

1849
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:42,480
um

1850
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,200
we have developed something

1851
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:46,880
that for example

1852
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:49,680
if you were on a spacewalk

1853
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,799
and you have some sort of a spanner

1854
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:54,720
on your belt and you don't want to lose

1855
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,559
it you know you're outside you have you

1856
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:58,960
have your craft and then all of a sudden

1857
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:01,680
one of these uh one of these little uh

1858
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,760
pulses wave guides in the skin needs to

1859
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:05,119
be repaired you need a little bit of

1860
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:07,119
super glue or something or some double

1861
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,119
bubble uh and so we have something

1862
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:11,520
called velcro um

1863
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:13,839
and i would be willing to trade this to

1864
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:14,640
you

1865
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,839
i don't know give us some sort of a

1866
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,319
sports car looking disc right that

1867
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:22,080
sounds pretty intriguing we don't have

1868
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,600
anything like that on the ship um

1869
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:27,040
you know and quite frankly i never

1870
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:28,239
thought we would need something like

1871
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,839
that but when you described it to me

1872
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,199
just now i could see there's a lot of

1873
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,359
value to it so yeah let's make a trade

1874
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,600
there that sounds like a good idea to me

1875
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,920
i'll do it i'll do it yeah uh also we'd

1876
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:39,839
be willing to you know we'd be willing

1877
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,480
to trade some you know uh

1878
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:44,400
maybe there's something that we've used

1879
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,440
also

1880
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,440
let's say you know the landing gear on

1881
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:48,960
these ships you know you you know you're

1882
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:51,040
going through coming into the atmosphere

1883
01:08:54,829 --> 01:08:52,960
things are starting to get rusty we've

1884
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,839
developed something called

1885
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:57,199
wd-40 it's called just a little bit of

1886
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,920
squirt yeah all your squeaks go away dan

1887
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:01,920
uses it all the time on the hinges on

1888
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:07,269
i'm glad you brought it up because uh i

1889
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:08,799
mean we have some of the squeakiest

1890
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,080
equipment here

1891
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:12,159
on the ship and if you're saying i can

1892
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,279
just

1893
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,990
and the squeaks are gone then that makes

1894
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,759
my intergalactic travel like a lot

1895
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,600
smoother so i would absolutely be

1896
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,279
willing to make that you got to do it i

1897
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:24,799
think i think we have a trade here i

1898
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,120
think i think what we've established is

1899
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:29,359
there's absolutely no question that

1900
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,159
dwight david eisenhower did in fact make

1901
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,719
some sort of a trade barter some sort of

1902
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,799
a deal with the phenomenon nathan i

1903
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,560
think we've solved this yeah with deals

1904
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,159
like those i mean how could it not have

1905
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,480
happened right can i get it amen look at

1906
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:44,880
that this is how we can get along with

1907
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:48,159
other intelligences that's it amen and

1908
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:49,120
trades

1909
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:51,040
yeah i mean yeah that's

1910
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:52,960
that little crazy bit aside which we had

1911
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:56,080
a fun time imagining uh you know dan do

1912
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:58,159
you think there is anything that like is

1913
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:01,040
worthy of of exchange you know with our

1914
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,640
our culture and you know kind of

1915
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,560
whatever these other cultures may be i

1916
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,960
mean what kind of uh

1917
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,480
what kind of thing would we be able to

1918
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:10,400
bring to the table of that do you think

1919
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:13,679
dna um earth has

1920
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:17,280
is a mecca for a variety of life to me

1921
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,280
that is the value that we bring to the

1922
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:21,520
table i think there's asteroids on the

1923
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,600
planet or in the universe that have a

1924
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,239
lot more gold than we have on our in

1925
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,760
our entire planet but we have a variety

1926
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,280
that is

1927
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,440
possibly unsurpassed in the universe i

1928
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,400
i'm obviously i am speaking

1929
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,719
with a lot of assumption

1930
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:40,480
there but i think that's what it would

1931
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:42,400
be is we are

1932
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:46,719
just a seed bank of different types of

1933
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,600
species and variety and it changes

1934
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:52,000
constantly it's never it's always always

1935
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:54,159
different like you come back 100 000

1936
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:55,920
years from now we'll have

1937
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,800
the different animals that we do now so

1938
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,560
it's going to be um

1939
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:02,560
dna in my opinion i think that's what we

1940
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,360
have and that's why

1941
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:07,600
there's there's reproductive overtones

1942
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,800
in the abduction phenomena that also

1943
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,600
kind of back that up um

1944
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,679
so we're this garden basically right

1945
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:17,440
where this uh

1946
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:20,320
you know really rich cornucopia of life

1947
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:21,040
that

1948
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:28,080
now

1949
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:31,760
that look of joy that look of intrigue

1950
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:33,280
that you have

1951
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,239
it's not easy that it's that in itself

1952
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,400
is a miracle to maybe to another

1953
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:40,960
intelligence i'm supposing of course but

1954
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:43,360
i assume that that is a miracle is that

1955
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:45,520
that look of joy that feeling that

1956
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,640
emotion and and if if if i were to think

1957
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:50,800
of what they might want to look at us

1958
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:51,600
for

1959
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:54,480
is they may desire to have that or see

1960
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,000
if they can breed that into their

1961
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:58,080
species

1962
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:01,520
well i've all often thought about

1963
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:04,640
the grays as more or less minions

1964
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:07,600
like if you look at the minion movies

1965
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,719
some of them have bad genetics i mean

1966
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,880
some of them are are pretty sharp but a

1967
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:15,360
lot of them they're so inbred or i don't

1968
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:18,640
know how they reproduce uh minions but

1969
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:21,199
they're just not conscious they're not

1970
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,719
deep thinking

1971
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:24,960
um maybe they

1972
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,320
were so hybridized that they lost the

1973
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,400
um spontaneousness

1974
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,000
of the human

1975
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,159
uh experience like we're very

1976
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,560
unpredictable creatures uh just in

1977
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:38,400
general we like

1978
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:41,120
we we like to have fun we like to pick

1979
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,360
on each other like we maybe that's one

1980
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,600
of the things that happens is they they

1981
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,159
have to inject some human dna just to

1982
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:50,159
make them more pleasant to be around

1983
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,239
because let's face it grays seem really

1984
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,239
boring right

1985
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,920
inner conversation they're looking at

1986
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,000
their four fingers comedy show yeah they

1987
01:13:00,870 --> 01:13:00,159
can't open a budweiser bottle that has

1988
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,880
the

1989
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,880
you know even if it's a twist off it's

1990
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:04,400
right stuff do you play the banjo you

1991
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:05,199
know

1992
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:06,000
yeah

1993
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,679
i had a thought about you know i

1994
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:09,760
definitely think the dna is of interest

1995
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:12,000
because we have so many experiencers

1996
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,840
saying that's being taken

1997
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,159
essentially but i thought of the one

1998
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:18,239
thing that we might be willing to trade

1999
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:19,040
for

2000
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:21,040
and i don't think it's going to be

2001
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:22,239
velcro

2002
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,400
i think it is i think it's going to be

2003
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:25,679
defense

2004
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:28,159
if if we get told that they're going to

2005
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,080
defend us from asteroids or other

2006
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:34,320
visitors i bet you that would be

2007
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,030
like what you would repair the holes in

2008
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,800
the wall i thought spackle is what she

2009
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:44,400
was going to say so i'm surprised

2010
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,520
there's an individual patrick jackson

2011
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,840
who has talked about like there's a

2012
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:51,760
defense system that's what he thinks the

2013
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,040
orbs are

2014
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:55,440
and it's really an interesting concept

2015
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,199
to me that we have possibly visitors

2016
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,360
like working to protect us

2017
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:03,120
so well that was that's the only thing i

2018
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,719
could think of that would be worth it to

2019
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,320
trade for

2020
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:08,800
so you just kind of hit on one of the

2021
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,400
topics in chains of the sea there's a

2022
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:14,719
entity that lives on earth with us that

2023
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:16,480
we can't perceive

2024
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:18,719
the extraterrestrials come to earth at

2025
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:21,520
the same time the humans see it and they

2026
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,360
go and they try to figure it out and

2027
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:25,600
they end up trying to attack it

2028
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,320
but

2029
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:28,480
the aliens aren't the extraterrestrials

2030
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,440
are not here for us they're here to to

2031
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:33,520
interact with these other beings that

2032
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,560
they've had a relationship with for eons

2033
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:38,560
so it could be that

2034
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:41,199
we're protected as a byproduct of

2035
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:43,760
another unseen

2036
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:47,040
intelligence that's on earth that

2037
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:48,000
we get

2038
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:50,000
the benefit of protection

2039
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,480
just like if uh more air what are the

2040
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,320
little sucker fish that swim around on

2041
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,960
the giant sharks whatever those things

2042
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,480
are they're living the drink maybe

2043
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,320
that's what we are there's a big shark

2044
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:02,480
that we don't even realize that we're

2045
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,709
do you think that they're communicating

2046
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,960
with sea life

2047
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:12,640
um according to star trek they

2048
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:15,280
absolutely are

2049
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,960
no according to dan warren i'm not

2050
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,800
interested in bill shatner here i'm

2051
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:20,880
sorry bill i don't mean that doesn't

2052
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:22,000
mean we don't want to have you on the

2053
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:25,280
show but go ahead oh man i don't know if

2054
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,480
they're talking to anything in the

2055
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:29,040
oceans um

2056
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,880
i think they're probably talking to each

2057
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,320
other in the oceans that's probably

2058
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,239
where the conversation is i think that

2059
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:36,000
they probably spend more time under the

2060
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,960
sea

2061
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,320
where we can't see them and they're

2062
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:40,400
protected from us than they do in our

2063
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,960
skies where we have at least a chance of

2064
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:44,159
seeing them

2065
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:45,840
that totally makes sense and i just want

2066
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:47,440
to throw this out there in case you

2067
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:50,400
didn't and i'm just for for dan i don't

2068
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,239
know if you saw the episode where uh

2069
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,480
dave mason and dave altman from a tear

2070
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:56,000
in the sky were on

2071
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,520
and um

2072
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:59,920
dave mason said what they did is they

2073
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,000
they were able to get recordings of

2074
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:03,920
native whale sounds

2075
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:06,239
and they were able to synthesize that

2076
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,880
with light patterns so that

2077
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:11,120
when they viewed the phenomenon they

2078
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:11,920
would

2079
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,800
um project these light patterns which

2080
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:16,880
ostensibly were were the sounds of

2081
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:19,920
whales at the phenomenon to say look

2082
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,159
we're trying to communicate with you but

2083
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,960
we're doing so in a way that's

2084
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:27,040
using a species that's not as developed

2085
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:30,159
at us and shows our our our humanity and

2086
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:31,840
our our love of

2087
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,159
uh other other beings that we share the

2088
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:35,760
planet with or other species i should

2089
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,159
say that's thinking outside of the box

2090
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,480
for sure i wouldn't come up with that i

2091
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,640
was i was blown away when he told these

2092
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:43,920
guys can tell you when he said that i

2093
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:46,239
was just like oh my god i was i was for

2094
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:49,120
clamped i was like linda richmond

2095
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,239
yeah

2096
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:52,159
that's what the hell is that man

2097
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:52,880
well

2098
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:54,239
we're gonna take some uh some audience

2099
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,760
questions then we have a few uh in the

2100
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:57,280
chat um

2101
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,080
deb i i started three i know we talked a

2102
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:02,960
little bit about um

2103
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,199
this sort of reevaluation of our past

2104
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:07,440
our ancient past kind of we covered that

2105
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:09,199
one a little bit but i like this

2106
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,640
question dan so

2107
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:12,880
do you believe the ufo phenomenon has

2108
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:16,640
something to do with death

2109
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:20,950
i don't know i

2110
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:25,199
i'm struggling to answer that one um

2111
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:27,040
or how do you maybe we can rephrase that

2112
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:28,239
i mean i don't know what degree you're

2113
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,719
familiar with the um you know the near

2114
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:33,040
death experience accounts or the bigaloo

2115
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:34,640
bigelow institute for consciousness

2116
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:36,560
studies and you know kind of what we're

2117
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,960
trying to glean from from those

2118
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:40,400
experiences how much have you looked

2119
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:42,480
into you know out of body near-death

2120
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:43,920
death

2121
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:46,640
past life all that kind of stuff

2122
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:49,520
to a small extent i haven't dove into

2123
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:51,760
that like uh other topics but i think

2124
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,320
what the the overarching thing that i

2125
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:56,800
heard you bring up was consciousness i

2126
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:58,159
do think there's a consciousness

2127
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:59,360
connection

2128
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,159
what exactly it is and if it ends at the

2129
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:04,320
point of the body's death

2130
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,960
if we are just vessels like

2131
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:08,719
tom belong says

2132
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:09,600
if we're

2133
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:12,080
receivers of consciousness instead of

2134
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,440
transmitters

2135
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:15,600
that to me is

2136
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:17,840
something that's very intriguing

2137
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:20,400
and could possibly be why

2138
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:22,880
uh the uf how we

2139
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,440
interact with the ufo phenomena maybe

2140
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,520
it's on a conscious level

2141
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:30,239
because when i i think louis elizondo

2142
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,480
said it tom de long has said it a ufo's

2143
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,800
rep is the representation of the nexus

2144
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:36,320
between quantum physics and

2145
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:37,840
consciousness

2146
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:38,880
so

2147
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,840
death is part of consciousness um

2148
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:43,600
so i guess it does in in that

2149
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:44,800
perspective

2150
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:45,600
but

2151
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:49,840
consciousness ceases at the time of

2152
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:51,760
death then i wouldn't think they'd be

2153
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:54,239
too interested in us after the fact

2154
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:56,159
right but why are there ghosts

2155
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:56,880
yeah

2156
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,360
i i i have so many questions right here

2157
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,960
that we're we're not going to get to

2158
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,480
tonight but i want to take this one

2159
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:04,080
around the panel i want to start with

2160
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:05,520
you dan and then go to debs and then go

2161
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:07,760
to nathan please but um

2162
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:10,960
if you were to to uh go and arrive in

2163
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,159
clas chris bledsoe's property today and

2164
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:16,480
he basically said to uh dan ask me

2165
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:22,950
um i would probably say uh do you mind

2166
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:24,320
if i move in

2167
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:25,840
and no

2168
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:28,080
you can't do it that's a perfect cab

2169
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,030
i would have to grill them about the

2170
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:35,520
lady like without without any doubt i'd

2171
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:37,120
want to know more about that the fact

2172
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:40,239
that it that he says she

2173
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,120
and

2174
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,880
she said she was hathor

2175
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,040
like he got elaborate on that like what

2176
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:47,280
else did she tell you that to me is

2177
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,400
amazing

2178
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,480
like i've said before

2179
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:52,960
hearing him say that

2180
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:55,840
makes the 2020 time frame that we're

2181
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:58,960
living in now and the egyptian pyramid

2182
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:01,920
era crashed together in a beautiful way

2183
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:04,560
like if there is some way for me to link

2184
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:07,280
back to that era which is

2185
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:10,880
my hands down favorite error in human uh

2186
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:12,159
civilization

2187
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,199
it's it's what i first

2188
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:16,960
became obsessed with first i became

2189
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:19,120
obsessed with looking and memorizing all

2190
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:21,199
the fish in the encyclopedia that we had

2191
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,480
in my house

2192
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,560
um but then i started getting into the

2193
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:27,600
egyptian civilization that that lived

2194
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,520
to such a large level back then and

2195
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:32,960
for for that to be something that could

2196
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:35,360
be present in today in modern times that

2197
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:37,600
would blow my mind that would be awesome

2198
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,960
that's what i would want to ask them

2199
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,320
about is tell me

2200
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:41,920
if they told you anything about egypt

2201
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,000
how do they build those pyramids is that

2202
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:46,719
a void yes yes

2203
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:48,880
i love it that is a great question and

2204
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:50,639
you know what when i meet up with dan

2205
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:53,520
this time uh when he comes to uh destin

2206
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,080
or miramar i'm gonna talk less keep my

2207
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:58,719
mouth shut more and l or listen more and

2208
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:01,120
keep my mouth shut more so

2209
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,520
because you're fascinating deb if you

2210
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,440
were to arrive on the blood soap

2211
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,960
property which is certainly not out of

2212
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:09,360
the question yet uh what would you ask

2213
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:10,480
him

2214
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:15,440
about the healing he has conveyed that

2215
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:19,920
he's gotten the gift of healing um to

2216
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,719
from the phenomenon so i would like to

2217
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:25,199
know more about that

2218
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:26,960
love it yeah that was actually gonna be

2219
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,400
mine too the healing i mean that's

2220
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:30,000
really fascinating to me

2221
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,960
um

2222
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:32,880
and i guess if i had to go with a second

2223
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:35,360
one it would be you know

2224
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,000
he seemingly has uh

2225
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:40,239
you know some ability to remote view or

2226
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,760
you know he has some kind of psy ability

2227
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:43,920
so i would love to hear more about like

2228
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,400
what he can do there

2229
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:48,560
yeah i've heard some not good uh

2230
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,639
premonitions that he's had maybe i don't

2231
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:52,800
want to hear about maybe yeah just bliss

2232
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:55,120
on some of that stuff right that's

2233
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:56,639
another question that i want you're

2234
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:58,159
going to want to ask the panel if we end

2235
01:22:02,870 --> 01:21:59,679
up having enough time

2236
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,880
um is about the the the worst possible

2237
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,400
scenarios of interaction with the

2238
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:07,040
phenomenon but for me i think i would

2239
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:10,320
want to ask him the the time that he was

2240
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,320
in the craft and actually

2241
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,159
went for a ride what did they

2242
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,320
communicate to him

2243
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:18,960
what entered his mind that they either

2244
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:21,760
projected into his mind or made him feel

2245
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:25,040
like i would want to just get into that

2246
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,840
experience about it was it tactile

2247
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:29,120
uh

2248
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:30,239
visceral

2249
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,760
all these sorts of things so that that's

2250
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:33,520
what i would want to ask him

2251
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:35,679
um deb do you do you have something that

2252
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,239
you'd like to uh present to the the

2253
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:40,560
group

2254
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:42,080
um

2255
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:43,840
what do you mean by percent do you mean

2256
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:44,560
like

2257
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:56,950
actually what i was going to do is tie

2258
01:23:00,950 --> 01:23:00,239
in one question that um our friend david

2259
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:00,960
had

2260
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:03,520
um brought up that we sort of answered

2261
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:04,960
but i'm going to change it a little bit

2262
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,840
his question was will the paradigm

2263
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:09,199
um

2264
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,080
it's

2265
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:12,239
david smith hurst

2266
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,719
oh dave smithers okay yeah okay

2267
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:16,960
so he had said will the paradigm shift

2268
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:20,639
uap disclosure um bring

2269
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:23,199
brings okay i think i needed a comma

2270
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:26,080
there well the paradigm shift

2271
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:29,120
uap disclosure brings lead to a

2272
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,880
re-evaluation of our ancient past so we

2273
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:33,199
kind of covered that right so

2274
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,880
what i thought i'd ask and we can just

2275
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:36,880
kind of throw this out to everyone

2276
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:37,920
is

2277
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:41,760
what paradigm shift do you guys foresee

2278
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:44,719
in the near future when this does become

2279
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,960
more evident more disclosed do you think

2280
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,800
i personally i just have to say is i

2281
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,239
don't think society is going to fall

2282
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,920
apart i think they have a two-week

2283
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:53,440
attention span and they're going to move

2284
01:24:02,149 --> 01:23:59,110
do you want to take that first nathan no

2285
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:02,159
i'm going to give dan that one fast

2286
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,239
give it to the guest um i think there's

2287
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:06,159
going to be a uh

2288
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:08,960
a palpable anger that

2289
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:10,560
brews

2290
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,360
from a very broad base

2291
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:15,760
in the united states in particular

2292
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:18,960
that is going to not be a good

2293
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,280
outcome for the military industrial

2294
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,800
complex

2295
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,760
which is

2296
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:25,520
justification in my mind for them

2297
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:27,920
wanting to keep it as a closely guarded

2298
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:30,880
secret um i think

2299
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,520
the the lack of trust that we're gonna

2300
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:35,840
be able to put in our

2301
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,639
um well i'll say it this way

2302
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,080
the lack of trust that we're gonna be

2303
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,800
able to put in our past leaders

2304
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,639
is going to be replaced by

2305
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,040
trust that we're going to have in the

2306
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:49,440
leaders that are pushing this effort now

2307
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:51,520
to get disclosure to get

2308
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,920
the truth out to the populace

2309
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:55,760
i think that's going to be a major shift

2310
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:58,880
i think it's going to be less about me

2311
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:01,280
red fighting blue and more about

2312
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,440
who was telling the truth and who was in

2313
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:05,760
the dark or who was

2314
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:06,880
actively

2315
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:10,480
engaging in uh

2316
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:16,629
yeah i mean i think it's gonna be

2317
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,760
incredibly disruptive um

2318
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,440
and not maybe in

2319
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:22,800
in some obvious ways maybe some

2320
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:24,960
non-obvious ways but

2321
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:26,080
i don't think i think there's going to

2322
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:26,880
be

2323
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:29,600
a real period of um

2324
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:31,600
you know kind of soul searching and

2325
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,960
reckoning that we're going to have to do

2326
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:34,560
with with the story

2327
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:36,000
um in part because i don't know that

2328
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,719
we're going to get all the answers um

2329
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:40,080
it's really gonna

2330
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:41,760
in my opinion at least set the table

2331
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,760
it's gonna give permission for people to

2332
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,840
take this seriously and then that

2333
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,600
validates a lot of experience that

2334
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:48,960
people have had

2335
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:51,360
uh with a whole sort of

2336
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,920
multiplicity of phenomena and and then

2337
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:55,040
how do we

2338
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,760
or kind of get some sort of larger

2339
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:01,199
learning at it so to send some new

2340
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:02,800
disciplines will emerge

2341
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:05,040
uh some new religious practices will

2342
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:06,840
emerge undoubtedly

2343
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,840
um you know i i've mentioned this to dj

2344
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:11,679
plenty of times but and on the show as

2345
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,560
well i mean my my hope my optimism is

2346
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:16,239
that

2347
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,120
you know if it requires a societal shift

2348
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:21,360
in understanding if it requires just

2349
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:24,719
enough of our human civilization to be

2350
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:26,000
ready to

2351
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:29,679
accept this reality that that's a point

2352
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:32,320
at which whatever this is or at least

2353
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:34,800
something one of the groups that are in

2354
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,520
a part of this will emerge from that

2355
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:41,040
kind of uh obscure place and take a more

2356
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,840
uh

2357
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,000
active engagement with us as a as a

2358
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,159
civilization i i'm not sure we can

2359
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:48,320
navigate this just on our own in other

2360
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,800
words i really think we need uh some

2361
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:52,400
assistance from

2362
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:54,560
other and other being or beings who have

2363
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:56,880
kind of been down this path before

2364
01:27:01,990 --> 01:26:59,360
uh and maybe are ready to assist us in

2365
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:02,000
navigating this kind of uncertain

2366
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,600
future i'm not sure we can handle it

2367
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:05,440
just with the tools that we have and

2368
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:07,840
with them what you know then i use that

2369
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:10,320
in in kind of the broadest sense uh

2370
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:11,679
being in the

2371
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,360
sort of in the shadows in the way that

2372
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:15,280
they are now

2373
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,960
we only have two minutes left i think

2374
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,800
deb is asking do you think that that's

2375
01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:20,800
going to happen nathan i think that's

2376
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:23,360
what she's asking is it will that be not

2377
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:24,159
to

2378
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:29,920
these kind of continued slow

2379
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:31,600
admissions

2380
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,600
and

2381
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:35,120
you know there will be these kind of

2382
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:38,400
voids that are created that

2383
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:40,480
will be filled with more speculation

2384
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:41,520
i don't think we're going to get the

2385
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:43,120
full answers and i think it's going to

2386
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,560
take quite a long time for us to get

2387
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:46,400
those answers unless we have that you

2388
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:48,639
know more active engagement from one of

2389
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,560
these parties

2390
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:52,480
and we only have about a minute left uh

2391
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,560
we'll just go just a couple minutes over

2392
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,639
just to get this last answer out and

2393
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:58,239
then we'll start saying our goodbyes and

2394
01:28:03,030 --> 01:27:59,920
we'll start begging dan to come back on

2395
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:03,040
again um uh we'll begin we'll begin the

2396
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:05,840
begging and writing checks but um

2397
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,960
the

2398
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,480
you know in my mind i'm kind of like

2399
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:10,480
thinking about a belt sander

2400
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,520
and if i have a hand belt sander and

2401
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:16,080
depending upon what grid i use and how

2402
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,040
much pressure i apply to that piece of

2403
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,000
wood i can really make a big impact

2404
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:24,320
on that piece of wood

2405
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:27,440
but if i really want a fine piece of

2406
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:30,880
wood where when it's done i can dress it

2407
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,040
you know with a good stain and and

2408
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:35,199
perhaps a good a good protective coating

2409
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:37,760
like a urethane i might take a finer

2410
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:40,400
grain of of of sandpaper on that hand

2411
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:43,280
belt sander and just just press it down

2412
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:44,400
gently

2413
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:47,040
and let it start to remove the material

2414
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:48,719
that's there that that's blocking the

2415
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:49,600
true

2416
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:52,400
beauty of the wood

2417
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:53,840
and i think

2418
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,440
that's the approach

2419
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:57,679
uh that will happen i think some of that

2420
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:00,400
will happen because the the phenomenon

2421
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:02,960
has presented itself and because of the

2422
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:04,639
fact that they're now reporting

2423
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:05,920
procedures

2424
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,800
and we saw one pilot the other night

2425
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:11,600
talk about it we saw two pilots the

2426
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:13,760
other night say you know what we're not

2427
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:16,320
going to say it on talk to la center

2428
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:18,480
radar control and tell them about it but

2429
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:19,520
we're going to call that pilot

2430
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:21,520
afterwards which takes a significant

2431
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,560
amount of effort for them to get to to

2432
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:26,639
for for them to figure out that guy's

2433
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,400
call sign find out what company he's

2434
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,320
with call that company get his cell

2435
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:32,239
phone number and call that guy

2436
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:34,960
uh and they did that so one out of three

2437
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:36,800
right now reported it just the other

2438
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,280
night so we're in a really good spot

2439
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:41,520
right now and we're talking about

2440
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:43,840
subject matter experts that are seeing

2441
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:45,280
something

2442
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,600
five to ten thousand feet above flight

2443
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:49,679
level four seven zero or forty seven

2444
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:51,280
thousand feet

2445
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:54,480
um that said that is flashing in a way

2446
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:57,040
that looks anomalous not like the navy

2447
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,679
ship snoopy team video to me that i

2448
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:01,520
can't i can't glean anything from

2449
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:04,960
looking at that but when they talk about

2450
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:07,120
an aircraft at that altitude going into

2451
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:09,120
bank and taking half the state of ohio

2452
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:10,080
to make

2453
01:30:13,030 --> 01:30:12,159
one revolution

2454
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:13,040
then

2455
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,800
but yet these things are seeing them

2456
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:17,040
doing tight circles coming right over

2457
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:18,960
the windscreen and circling above that

2458
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:22,080
craft now i know that the phenomenon is

2459
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:25,760
showing what it can do showing its wares

2460
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:28,320
saying look at me look at this

2461
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:29,840
just like it did to those tucson

2462
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:32,639
helicopters kind of thing

2463
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:34,800
so yeah i think the phenomenon is going

2464
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:37,520
to play a role in this but i think from

2465
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:40,080
the pers the human perspective we need

2466
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:40,719
to

2467
01:30:45,030 --> 01:30:43,040
put that belt sander down with a fine

2468
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:45,040
grit sandpaper right dan

2469
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:46,880
and then just put a gentle amount of

2470
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:49,360
pressure and then just let it start to

2471
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:50,480
remove

2472
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:51,920
that old

2473
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,880
dead

2474
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:55,360
material that is covering up the beauty

2475
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:56,960
of that wood and eventually we'll get

2476
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:02,870
220 grit at least yeah there you go

2477
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:06,800
400 if you really want to be smooth

2478
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:09,520
so uh we gotta you know that's about

2479
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:11,360
this went by so fast dan we're like

2480
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,719
we're gonna take an hour and a half

2481
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,400
today well we took an hour and a half

2482
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:16,560
and i still have a whole bunch of

2483
01:31:20,470 --> 01:31:18,000
questions we're going to get into

2484
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:20,480
exorcism and catholicism where we're

2485
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:23,120
going to get into coral castle with you

2486
01:31:27,910 --> 01:31:26,080
so uh yeah

2487
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:27,920
i haven't ever been down there have you

2488
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:30,480
been down there i've not been there and

2489
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:32,960
i'm so sad because i did go to homestead

2490
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:35,440
within days of me retiring from the air

2491
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:38,000
force i i drove there spent a week there

2492
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:40,159
and then departed to move to brazil from

2493
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:43,280
there but uh but i want to go and

2494
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,159
so

2495
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:46,480
let's make this pitch now dan will you

2496
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:47,840
come back on with us we'll have like

2497
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:50,320
another fireside chat have another guest

2498
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:52,159
and and we'll just drag you right into

2499
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:55,040
that yeah i'm game

2500
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:56,159
count me in

2501
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:57,840
i'll bring a log

2502
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:01,199
it it's an honor man to have you on um

2503
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:04,400
it really is uh you you're such amazing

2504
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:07,440
conversation is as much there's i

2505
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:09,199
i can't think of anybody we've we've had

2506
01:32:12,870 --> 01:32:11,040
on this better conversation

2507
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:12,880
in the two or three times that you've

2508
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:15,360
been on with us including before i even

2509
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:17,120
had nathan and had calling all beings

2510
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:20,400
you came on with me um and you know and

2511
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:22,400
made conversation i really appreciate

2512
01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:24,320
that um so

2513
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:28,480
with that let me pass it over to uh debs

2514
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:30,480
i just wanted to commend you for all

2515
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:32,960
your work you know you do such deep

2516
01:32:37,669 --> 01:32:34,960
research and you find a way to make it

2517
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:37,679
like really palpable for people in such

2518
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:39,520
a short period of time and then and then

2519
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:41,440
the fact that you share it with us on

2520
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:43,440
other forums is much appreciated because

2521
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:45,679
some of us are too old for tick tock

2522
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:46,960
but

2523
01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:50,000
i just yeah thank you so much i i'm very

2524
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:52,719
grateful for what you do uh it's it's

2525
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:55,040
it's fun to do it like i'm a

2526
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:57,760
goal-oriented person so for me to dig

2527
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:00,800
into the research and then have a pro

2528
01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:03,120
a goal in mind a product at the end of

2529
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:05,440
it it's a reward for myself it's what

2530
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:07,600
helps keep me going and i'm just shocked

2531
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:10,480
and amazed that other people enjoy it as

2532
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:12,480
well and i couldn't be happier about it

2533
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:14,320
it's it's great to have people

2534
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:16,159
appreciate the work that you put into

2535
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:17,520
something like this

2536
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:19,920
and i'm glad some people get value out

2537
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:21,760
of it so i appreciate you appreciating

2538
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:23,360
it

2539
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:26,080
yeah absolutely echo that uh dan you're

2540
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:28,080
you're the real deal um

2541
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:29,600
you know you've always been incredibly

2542
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:32,239
gracious and and kind to uh

2543
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:34,080
at least in my interactions with you and

2544
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:36,080
and i think you know you're always

2545
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:37,520
tomorrow there's always tomorrow we

2546
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:40,080
could definitely change it uh if we want

2547
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:41,600
given what's going on

2548
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:42,400
uh

2549
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:44,800
but you know huge props to your your

2550
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:46,880
work ethic on this and and your eye for

2551
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:48,719
things you know the way that you break

2552
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:50,560
things down and communicate

2553
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:52,719
these topics in a really easy to digest

2554
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:54,560
manner i mean that is not easy to do you

2555
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:57,120
make it look easy uh and just you know i

2556
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:58,400
can't thank you enough for doing that

2557
01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:01,199
and i'm really happy to count you as a

2558
01:34:05,350 --> 01:34:03,040
you know as a colleague in this space of

2559
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:05,360
conversation and uh looking forward to

2560
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:06,480
future conversations that we're gonna

2561
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:08,000
have together

2562
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:09,600
all right well i appreciate you guys

2563
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:11,440
having me on and we'll definitely do

2564
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:13,199
this again in the future and i'll be

2565
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:15,920
hanging out with dj at a

2566
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:18,960
beach in florida here soon so

2567
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:20,480
we'll you'll see a picture of us on

2568
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,000
twitter i'm sure

2569
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,000
awesome yeah i'm so honored and so

2570
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:26,000
blessed and i i can't wait to see i'm

2571
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:28,239
headed to the uk next week where i'm

2572
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:29,840
going to see the aforementioned david

2573
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:30,880
smithers

2574
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:33,760
and vinnie uh disclosure team and and

2575
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,719
dan

2576
01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:36,719
davey johnston graham

2577
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:37,679
uh

2578
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:40,400
man marcio boyle is going to be there

2579
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:43,199
uh maxie mccabe so there's gonna be a

2580
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:44,480
slew of our friends they're gonna get

2581
01:34:47,830 --> 01:34:46,000
together and i just wish i could bring

2582
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:47,840
all of you with me that that's one of

2583
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:50,639
the biggest benefits to being on ufo

2584
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:53,440
twitter is you have relationships around

2585
01:34:58,629 --> 01:34:55,760
the globe like i have them in australia

2586
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:58,639
i have them in europe it's crazy that we

2587
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:01,199
have this ability to network amongst

2588
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:04,000
each other on a common topic like this

2589
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:06,320
which is one of my my hopes for the ufo

2590
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:08,080
phenomenon is it will bring people

2591
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:10,080
together i think it'll be that it'll be

2592
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:11,520
that way for a while but then we'll

2593
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:13,119
fight amongst each other just like we

2594
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:14,960
always do but i'm hoping that it'll help

2595
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:15,840
us

2596
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:17,840
have a moment of reflection

2597
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:20,080
you know come together on that i also

2598
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,840
want to thank jewels of the wood dan

2599
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:22,960
mentioned her

2600
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:26,400
wood there's no e in there

2601
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:27,520
probably because she ran out of

2602
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:30,080
characters but um she's a wonderful

2603
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:32,400
beautiful person we're very thankful

2604
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:34,560
that she's uh decided to help us out

2605
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:36,719
with the chat uh because we certainly

2606
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:39,440
needed it uh and dan yeah i'll be

2607
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,440
getting with you uh in short order so

2608
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,440
that when we do another one of these uh

2609
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:45,280
we can just add you in there because

2610
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:47,520
you're just so damn good it's ridiculous

2611
01:35:54,629 --> 01:35:48,800
so

2612
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:54,639
this is dj and cab give us a like give

2613
01:35:59,109 --> 01:35:57,119
us a subscribe thank you for all the

2614
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:59,119
love that you've given us and made this

2615
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:01,040
so much fun for us to do this i think

2616
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:03,679
all of you hashtag ufo twitter so peace

2617
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:05,119
out one love

2618
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:07,119
we'll see you down the road and just

2619
01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:09,119
like dan we're always wondering what's

2620
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:11,280
up around the bend

2621
01:36:13,450 --> 01:36:12,159
peace